Doping git thread

[mjr]

Hmmm, I think there's a growing list of them but Sammy Sanchez was old skool.

Indeed. I was half expecting to see it was EPO rather than a GHRP.

 

[rich p]

Easier to list who it doesn't hang over, isn't it?

Cynic!
I'd be gutted if one of the young dudes on the block now, was nailed.
You can see by the manner of the racing that it's cleaner than it ever has been. The old skool and the desperate will still try though.

 

[themosquitoking]

Cynic!
I'd be gutted if one of the young dudes on the block now, was nailed.
You can see by the manner of the racing that it's cleaner than it ever has been. The old skool and the desperate will still try though.

I can see what you mean about the racing but someone will, much as i'd like to think cycling will never have another doper someone always will.

 

[HF2300]

Hmmm, I think there's a growing list of them but Sammy Sanchez was old skool.

Not that old skool, he evidently didn't have avoiding out of competition testing down to a fine art.

much as i'd like to think cycling will never have another doper someone always will.

There'll always be someone who wants to take a short cut but at least it's better than (nearly) every bugger doing it.

 

[ColinJ]

We may have already covered this, but I can't remember and can't be bothered to search this now very lengthy thread to check ...

Do you think that a team should be able to replace a rider entered for a race but then caught doping?

I think not. It might mean collateral damage to genuinely innocent teams but it would help reinforce the anti-doping message.

 

[SWSteve]

We may have already covered this, but I can't remember and can't be bothered to search this now very lengthy thread to check ...

Do you think that a team should be able to replace a rider entered for a race but then caught doping?

I think not. It might mean collateral damage to genuinely innocent teams but it would help reinforce the anti-doping message.

I'm with you on that. It would be much more punishing for the team, and would disincentivise turning a blind eye to 'lone individual' activities

 

[smutchin]

When does the start list become 'official'? I thought it wasn't until they turned up and signed on at the start of the race. So any team is free to make changes to their announced line-up, for any reason, right up to that point.

 

[ColinJ]

Delay announcing the result of the dope test until the rider signs on and then ban him/her!

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

When does the start list become 'official'? I thought it wasn't until they turned up and signed on at the start of the race. So any team is free to make changes to their announced line-up, for any reason, right up to that point.

Not sure about that, didn't Bardiani ride without a full team earlier this year?

 

[400bhp]

Correct with Bardiani, albeit they probably didn't have any other clean riders to draft in.

I vaguely remember something about a rider falling sick just before the race and they weren't allowed to replace

It makes sense to have some lead time as I can imagine there's a lot of stuff needs to be determined by the organisers pre race.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Correct with Bardiani, albeit they probably didn't have any other clean riders to draft in.

I vaguely remember something about a rider falling sick just before the race and they weren't allowed to replace

It makes sense to have some lead time as I can imagine there's a lot of stuff needs to be determined by the organisers pre race.

They had 2 riders fail dope tests iirc

 

[smutchin]

Not sure about that, didn't Bardiani ride without a full team earlier this year?

In that case, the news broke just after the team presentation - uncanny timing!

Interestingly, it's the same product that Pirazzi and Ruffoni tested positive for - one that they've only recently developed a test for...

 

[smutchin]

It makes sense to have some lead time as I can imagine there's a lot of stuff needs to be determined by the organisers pre race.

I would imagine it matters more to the teams, who have to organise travel for riders, as well as getting all their kit and bikes to the race.

From the organisers' point of view, as long as the riders are properly registered, it probably doesn't matter too much to them who the team sends.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

When does the start list become 'official'? I thought it wasn't until they turned up and signed on at the start of the race. So any team is free to make changes to their announced line-up, for any reason, right up to that point.

In that case, the news broke just after the team presentation - uncanny timing!

Interestingly, it's the same product that Pirazzi and Ruffoni tested positive for - one that they've only recently developed a test for...

I always thought the team presentation and team signing on were not the same thing - maybe they are. But I have never seen any riders "sign on" at a presentation although have seen "signing on" just before a stage.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

In that case, the news broke just after the team presentation - uncanny timing!

Interestingly, it's the same product that Pirazzi and Ruffoni tested positive for - one that they've only recently developed a test for...

I always thought the team presentation and team signing on were not the same thing - maybe they are. But I have never seen any riders "sign on" at a presentation although have seen "signing on" just before a stage.

I just checked the Vuelta rules and registration was between 10am - 2pm on Thursday 17th August, so prior to the team presentation.
I tried to find the rules for the Giro but wasn't successful but imagine they have a similar approach - so, wait until the teams register and then announce doping violations = team impact. Then again, it's Bardiani...