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Dogtrousers said:
Armstrong slightly less banned
http://road.cc/content/news/204116-lance-armstrong-slightly-less-banned
Can do triathlon if he wants.
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I liked this comment...

"He is currently looking to start up a new endurance-based venture called WEDU"

The clean version will be called WEDONT.
 
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smutchin said:
For 'Tramadol' read 'Thunderbird'

For 'rode the World Championships' read 'was sleeping on a park bench'

For 'the BBC' read 'my besht mate... hic!'
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Or, ' I was offered a legal substance, which is still legal, but declined as I was up to my eyeballs on epo and off my face on testosterone'
 
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I never really understood the MPCC. Seems like a good idea - for example as a means for pro teams to interact with WADA over issues like corticoids and tramadol. But often (on here, at least) it's dismissed as a PR exercise; voluntary, optional and toothless. Orica, Katusha and Astana left or got booted out, variously. Sky declined to join as it wasn't as sufficiently devoted to the anti doping cause and didn't go far enough :laugh: Yet there are still several teams who take it seriously enough to remain.
 
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Dogtrousers said:
I never really understood the MPCC. Seems like a good idea - for example as a means for pro teams to interact with WADA over issues like corticoids and tramadol. But often (on here, at least) it's dismissed as a PR exercise; voluntary, optional and toothless. Orica, Katusha and Astana left or got booted out, variously. Sky declined to join as it wasn't as sufficiently devoted to the anti doping cause and didn't go far enough :laugh: Yet there are still several teams who take it seriously enough to remain.
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It's simply a club of certain pro teams using it as a PR exercise - "oh look at us we are all ever so clean". So that's all right then. They have no mandate except their own and don't seem to have managed to influence WADA, so what's the point?
The rules are what they are, Tramadol and Corticosteroids are on a WADA "watch list", which possibly means they are gathering test data before coming to an evidence based conclusion. Let's hope they reach the right one, although remember WADA is across all sports and some have more reason than others not to want both substances put on the banned list.
Anyone for tennis/footy/rugby/track&field?
 
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oldroadman said:
It's simply a club of certain pro teams using it as a PR exercise - "oh look at us we are all ever so clean". So that's all right then. They have no mandate except their own and don't seem to have managed to influence WADA, so what's the point?
The rules are what they are, Tramadol and Corticosteroids are on a WADA "watch list", which possibly means they are gathering test data before coming to an evidence based conclusion. Let's hope they reach the right one, although remember WADA is across all sports and some have more reason than others not to want both substances put on the banned list.
Anyone for tennis/footy/rugby/track&field?
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This is odd, how different sports have different rulings on different drugs, despite WADA being for all sports - as raised by Dan Carter's use of corticosteroids

In cycling they have a different rule regarding injections, which says that after an injection you have to rest eight days before a competition. Do you think it would be a good rule to apply in rugby, would it be safer for the players ?

I don’t know enough about corticosteroids to comment. I don’t know why they have eight and in rugby it’s two or three, I don’t know.


En savoir plus sur http://www.lemonde.fr/rugby/article...tion_5016194_1616937.html#WP76WEEtwpY70ars.99
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ItsSteveLovell said:
This is odd, how different sports have different rulings on different drugs, despite WADA being for all sports - as raised by Dan Carter's use of corticosteroids

"...In cycling they have a different rule regarding injections, which says that after an injection you have to rest eight days before a competition...."
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I think the "different rule" that is referred to there is an MPCC rule rather than a rule enforced for all of cycling. And as such it has no-one really enforcing it as we saw with Lars Boom and Astana, when push came to shove Vino just ignored the rule (and Astana got booted out of the MPCC, without any dreadful consequences for them, in fact with almost no consequence at all).

[Edit. The Lars Boom case was about low cortisol levels - MPCC rule 5, not direct use of corticosteroids, rule 6, which in any case only refers to intra-articular injections. So if you want to be pedantic about it, my post above is waffly rubbish. Get over it pedants.]
 
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Dogtrousers said:
I think the "different rule" that is referred to there is an MPCC rule rather than a rule enforced for all of cycling. And as such it has no-one really enforcing it as we saw with Lars Boom and Astana, when push came to shove Vino just ignored the rule (and Astana got booted out of the MPCC, without any dreadful consequences for them, in fact with almost no consequence at all).

[Edit. The Lars Boom case was about low cortisol levels - MPCC rule 5, not direct use of corticosteroids, rule 6, which in any case only refers to intra-articular injections. So if you want to be pedantic about it, my post above is waffly rubbish. Get over it pedants.]
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Ahh that would explain a lot - seen as the MPCC seems to contain all the 'big' french teams
 
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