Doping git thread

[johnblack]

I see in YouTube comments people post ‘you can’t win a Grand Tour without doping.’
Please,without shooting each other down, do people think that that is true?

They all stretch the rules that are in place. I don't believe there is much "clean" elite cycling or any other top class sport and it doesn't really bother me either. I guess I'll be in the minority with that.

 

[mjr]

A hopefully factual question:
Is this basically the worst crime that they've been able to nail on him (or any staff/rider)?

(I know, we can pontificate about smoke and fires etc etc ... I'm just looking at what they'll actually be pinged for.)

It depends how you're looking at it. I suspect he will be punished most harshly for destroying medical records because that really makes it difficult to decide with certainty what else he was doing.

 

[Eziemnaik]

@johnblack while I agree with sentiment, there is still a clear difference between using testosterone vs other, may not yet been banned, substances.
I always find it curious how high percentage of elite swimmers and cyclists suffer from asthma and in order to level the playing field they are allowed to use clen or sal.
An argument could be made that I should be able to inject myself with test because I have half the natural levels compared to the top athlete
@mjr I am not sure how it looks in the eye of the law but the destruction of ¿potential? evidence makes him look as guilty as it gets

 

[Martinsnos]

Some people obviously do.

Personally, I don't have a clue. I know it was true some years ago. And probably in a few years time I'll find out if it is true now.

That seems to be the way - thanks.

 

[Martinsnos]

They all stretch the rules that are in place. I don't believe there is much "clean" elite cycling or any other top class sport and it doesn't really bother me either. I guess I'll be in the minority with that.

Cheers. I suppose the issue is that it can prevent ‘clean’ riders having a career in cycling but everyone has different opinions and that is fine.

 

[Eziemnaik]

@Martinsnos with most riders consuming caffeine it is safe to say they are already in the grey area

 

[Martinsnos]

I’d never heard of Chris Horner, the oldest ever GT winner at the age of 41. I don’t recall commentators ever mentioning him which makes me think they don’t want to remind us all of something so suspect?!

 

[Martinsnos]

@Martinsnos with most riders consuming caffeine it is safe to say they are already in the grey area

I do too - proven performance benefits apparently. Guess I should move to riding a bike next!!!

 

[Martinsnos]

He went on to marry Ginger Spice too. Clearly something going on there.

I didn’t know that (about the other one!) - interesting.
The cycling one has a YouTube channel and people ask him in the comments if he doped but I see he doesn’t reply!!!

 

[lazybloke]

Freeman attempts to finger Sutton. Gets shafted (same story as linked earlier)

"During the tribunal, which has lasted for more than two years, Freeman said he was bullied into ordering the drug by former British Cycling and Team Sky performance director Shane Sutton to treat his erectile dysfunction."

 

[Adam4868]

How about its all on him....he got the gear and flushed it down his bog ? Meaning nobody else gets implicated 😁
I have noticed everytime they've shown this on the news its been with a accompanying video of Froome and Brailsford....whatever are they implying.....

 

[newts]

Freeman attempts to finger Sutton. Gets shafted (same story as linked earlier)

"During the tribunal, which has lasted for more than two years, Freeman said he was bullied into ordering the drug by former British Cycling and Team Sky performance director Shane Sutton to treat his erectile dysfunction."

I'm not sure that'll stand up in court😊

 

[mjr]

So Richard Freeman used to be David Millar's doctor and he thinks he's a lovely man and everyone's made lots of mistakes and everyone should be punished but how but all the current young British riders are clean!

Not sure that was the best interview about a doping case that itv4 have ever broadcast.

 

[Foghat]

Not sure that was the best interview about a doping case that itv4 have ever broadcast.

Imlach should have prefaced his first question to Millar with some kind of observation about the conflict of interest Millar has in this case, namely the position of his sister. Or ITV4 should have got another pundit in to deal with that part of the programme. Or both.

If his sister wasn't involved, I think Millar would have been more damning.

 

[mjr]

Imlach should have prefaced his first question to Millar with some kind of observation about the conflict of interest Millar has in this case, namely the position of his sister. Or ITV4 should have got another pundit in to deal with that part of the programme. Or both.

If his sister wasn't involved, I think Millar would have been more damning.

I'm not so sure. Last I heard, Millar and Brailsford were still friendly.

As you say, wrong person to ask. They've got Daniel Friebe there who might have been a fresh view, or Ned used to do the featurette job around that time so might have an interesting view.

Or they could have ignored it and discussed the race.