Discrimination and Loss of "freedom of movement" for poor and disabled

[fossyant]

You will probably find road infrastructures are not designed for cyclists in most of the world OP ! Holland is quite good I believe !

 

[disabled rider]

Can I please have an answer to my earlier question.

Who is the "us" you refer to when you ststed you are not allowed outside the City limits?
Under what law / rule / statute is this limitation imposed?

I had already answered the question "us" is those who travel by foot or pedal power.

Us is the people who use bike as a utility or walk to do necessary tasks to survive. These people also lack other forms of transport due to expenses, or being shunned from society. Not to mention they do not have the money to pay for cabs to take them. In this area, there are not many choices, even lack of coach bus for example etc. It is disproportionately the poor and disabled who fall in this category. Things like hunting, fishing, neighbor you might help that is outside the city. Those are usually highways. that provide the best access that are being cut off Like highway 52 running from the twin cities down to Rochester back in 90' there was no posted banning of use and I used it every single day for an entire summer to get access to food source at a river near the highway. There are no other locations as good as this spot to which to bag the limit. There is also a lot of hunting land in that direction as well. As far as I know there are no back roads that will go to these locations. Not to mention the back roads require you to ride on the lane proper. 52 has a 10ft or so shoulder. There is absolutely NO buffeting by wind turbulence off large trucks and rigs. 20 miles every day entire summer.

The access points for in and out, are recreational, They usually go everywhere, but where you need to go. They don't have utility, unless you happen to get lucky and the place you go is the small town it connects to.

I need direct routes, NOT long roundabout. I did mention I had heart surgery. so a 10 mile detuer is pretty big deal for me, on top of the other 10 miles so to speak That be 40 round trip add carrying a load

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I am going to add the comment about someone reference to the welfare of MN. UM ITS A JOKE. you fell for the propaganda of the state government and elitist. I can tell you now the one service in which the state pays I been kicked off in a manor they manipulated the way the SSDI cost of living increases at a higher rate as the income limit for medical services. Because they were not lock stepped I no longer have the most important state service I need Medical assistance. any other service I currently receive is actually federal programs NOT STATE.

Food assistance $16. rent "section 8" which is FEDERAL $175 (If I move I loose section 8.) QMB which is another federal not state. stand to loose that in January when they increase cost of living again if they don't lock it. QMB only pays the deductible of medicare 20%. I do not have the resources to cover the 20% thus loosing QMB I LOOSE ALL MEDICAL HELP. 1 step forward on paper = 4 steps back in reality.

Welfare its self(Cash assistance.) is only given to the disabled, elderly, pregnant women with a cap of 3 years life time, I believe. and it doesn't even begin to cover basic needs. I do not get to touch this, because I am collecting DISABILITY INSURANCE, NOT WELFARE.
But then who ever asks the people who are actually using the services or not using them due to the system being gamed to exclude? There is so much red tape and exclusions its NO laughing matter. On paper yes it may look as if MN has a good or posh program In reality its not.

Here is another fact check the elitist , rulers or "power to be" are doing to artificially inflate the numbers. As a means to show that more money is being spent, they doctored the calculation forms for deciding food assistance. the vast majority get 16$ about. Pay attention to this next part this is the part that inflates the numbers to show more is being spent in order to justify cutting the 16$ down even further.
On the calculation sheet under the energy they use a flat number. If you pay 8$ for air conditioning a month. The number that goes in there is in excess of $100 not the $8 that is actually spent. This artificially increases the amount of food assistance for that person up in excess of $100 in food assistance for that 1 person. instead of the $16 now take that 16$ into the excess of the $100 and that is the number of people that is using the food program. So 1 person is representing in excess of 5 people. Then the republicans can scream bloody murder we got runaway spending and kill what little money is actually getting paid reducing the $16 down to say $5. Then that person that was getting in access of 100$ is going to loose the extra after the election.

This is how the war on the poor and disabled and old is taking place here. paper says things are good, reality its going backwards.

last year the republicans/ some Dem(elitist where the driving force) tried to cut ALL of the assistance programs the disabled used. our Governor vetoed the bill. And the State shut down. In the end the republicans/ some Dem, got what they wanted no services for the 99% republicans/ some Dem, either got to cut us off or they got the funding stopped for the 99% It was a win for republicans/ some Dem, no matter how it played out. Point is we are on death row. If we can't figure out a way to survive without society.

The irony is, its not even the disabled who are causing the money issue, its the people, illegally committing tax evasion by purchasing online from sites outside MN. And same people are not sending the 7 cent sales tax to the state via mail as is required under law. $100 purchase $7 goes to the state. The top 1 % have their own way of evading their tax responsibility.
Yet again, who gets stuck paying the sales tax?? Poor who can't afford a computer that are forced to purchase from the brick and mortar business like walmart..


Thus this is pushing me to take drastic action , taking up hunting, fishing, etc which all require getting out of the city. And Moving is not an option. Also means, my getting there is totally reliant on bike.

Freedom of movement has been banned(highways are posted as no access for bikes) for my use because of the mode of transport to which I have available to me. Asking for rides is not possible, when there is literally no one to ask. Any of the people that might give me a ride live minimum 20 minutes outside the city 40 minute round trip, not including taking me to where I need to go. Their farm would go under, wasting that kind of time. not to mention gas expense being high. That 20 minutes does not include the drive time in city.

May have to take up a new Motto "Bike or die!"and break few laws while your at it

disabled rider

 

[mangaman]

I'm not sure too many people are getting wound up mangaman, I think it's more likely that more and more people will simply ignore the thread if DR continues to write such long posts. It's a pity as it may have some potential to be interesting.

Maybe wound up was the wrong expression,

Bored and irritated maybe.

I can only see it descending into progressive mickey taking out of him.

I see he has just posted another novella about the hunting and fishing life of the disabled Minnesotan without any relevance to this forum, I doubt anyone here has a clue what he's on about. Surely a polite suggestion from the Mods that he tries a relevant forum instead would help prevent him getting abuse on here and even get the answers he needs.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Hi DR,

with some effort I've read through your lengthy explanation of the problems you encounter.

Other than recognising problems that we all face as cyclists, I was struck by one particular comment

"Your never going to fix the negligent driver problem ... unless you got rid of all the powered vehicles."

This hardly seems either likely or even helpful when you consider how many disabled people rely on adapted motorised vehicles for their mobility. Wouldn't you therefore be condemning people in your position to the life of exclusion you're arguing against?

GC

 

[Mugshot]

Maybe wound up was the wrong expression,

Bored and irritated maybe.

I can only see it descending into progressive mickey taking out of him.

I see he has just posted another novella about the hunting and fishing life of the disabled Minnesotan without any relevance to this forum, I doubt anyone here has a clue what he's on about. Surely a polite suggestion from the Mods that he tries a relevant forum instead would help prevent him getting abuse on here and even get the answers he needs.

That's fair, asking the questions would help too.

 

[disabled rider]

Can I make a suggestion?

I have been guilty of facetious comments on this thread as I felt disabled rider was trolling, which was probably wrong of me.

MrP made the most sober post pointing out his disability may be making his posts so garbled.

Disabled R has now specifically denied that - so can we consider closing the thread as I can only see it getting nastier as he winds more and more people up.

I denied what? What I said is: of what seams as being garbled is related to the learning disability and hearing loss
Not some other one that someone else mentioned starting with an A.

Short term memory has a major role in keeping order of the different points. not to mention dyslexia. hearing played a role during the development years which degrades writing ability. People learn to communicate first by voice then writing. opps can't hear what your saying, thus learning to write was that much harder.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Surely a polite suggestion from the Mods that he tries a relevant forum instead would help prevent him getting abuse on here and even get the answers he needs.

I disagree.

Shaun has already edited a couple of posts and reminded the membership to at least be civil to this guy, surely we're able to do that?

Nobody should be encouraged to leave a forum to avoid abuse, that's just as unacceptable as telling cyclists to stay off the roads to avoid bad drivers.

GC

 

[on the road]

I disagree.

Shaun has already edited a couple of posts and reminded the membership to at least be civil to this guy, surely we're able to do that?

Nobody should be encouraged to leave a forum to avoid abuse, that's just as unacceptable as telling cyclists to stay off the roads to avoid bad drivers.

GC

But is what he's talking about (whatever that is) relevant here?

 

[gary in derby]

I don't

nor me! have you ever tried getting a bike with three pedels?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

But is what he's talking about (whatever that is) relevant here?

He's a disabled cyclist who's complaining about what he sees are restrictions and limitations on his cycling that he feels are unjust and adversely affect his life.

Admittedly it took a while to tease that out of him but it would seem to be a relevant topic for CC.

GC

 

[Crosstrailer]

Hunting deer, particularly with a bow, is cruel and it is sport IMO.

I am out of this thread as I am sure the word count is now up at around 7000 (I really can't be bothered to check again) and the only thing that seems to be said is that Disabled Rider is peed off because he can't ride his bike down a motorway and has to take a ten mile detour. If you are strong enough my friend to ride back with a slaughtered deer then as far as I am concerned a 10 mile detour is not a major issue.

 

[disabled rider]

Disabled rider, there is not a problem with your dyslexia, your posts are perfectly understandable in terms of grammar/spelling/punctuation. The problem is that your posts are way too long and meander around the point, sometimes missing it completely.
I can only echo the thoughts of a couple of previous replies - get yourself a website/blog. Write it all down and then edit it at your leisure to make it more concise, sort out all your links and make sure they are relevant.
You must realise by now that jumping into internet forums with monster posts promising all kinds of revelations is not the way to go (this is your third or fourth forum ?)

Hope this helps.

Honestly that is what I was thinking especially the super post above. Felt pressured to hurry up and get it done. I wanted to do it as chapters so as to break it in pieces. Just sad people just don't seam to have patience much these days. The very first post was meant to be kind of guide to try to stop what happened in the other 3 forums. To try to help keep it civil when its a real sensitive issue that looks at people character and how they treat others and how their actions harm the ones that were excluded by said actions. See the reason the blasting by other posters did not really get to me is its like calling me names or implying this or that, I can deal with that. The part that really hurts and is the reason I am in the predicament, I am in, is the "exclusion factor" form of discrimination of not including me. This is totally devastating. I am being backed into a corner, that if I don't break laws, I will die from the inability to take care of myself. The freedom of movement of cycling is the ONLY means for me to carry out a large part of taking care of myself. Getting food getting supplies. etc. I am more than capable of caring for myself if society would let me. I have a very strong sense of justice, especially when actions were not taken against certain people in my past. AS a result I also go out of my way to ensure I follow rules minus the sidewalk thing. OK this just jarred a memory "Complex-PTSD" DSM4 here in USA won't recognize it, nor will the DSM5 that will be coming out. But I believe the UK does? This actually may explain my erratic posting better? sustained decades long torture by peers My personality was damaged by said torture, I was a carefree happy kid at 5 and like a light switch, when the torture started, my personality was for ever changed permanently. My mother yanked me from school for a year, damage was done, I never recovered. The move in the usa not to recognize C-PTSD is mainly ties to a can of worms that its a psychological injury and not an illness, inflicted by the actions or lack of actions of others. This opens the door of justice against those that do harm of long periods. Which modern capitalism today is guilty of doing (Bullying in the work place)..

The suggestions about blog I take to heart I have tried it in past, just went un-heard, (blowing air with no redress for action) because I wasn't networked with other people? not a clue I don't dare join face book or other social media due to fall out in the real world, when certain people found out. I also been seeing reports that bloggers are getting hammered by those who do not want the dirty laundry aired so to speak.

I was trying a different tactic here, than the other three related the the "exclusion factor"(not necessarily about bikes in those ones,. one was about internet access which in essence violates the ADA title 3 especially after the netflix ruling. Since I can not physically go, I used internet to bring them to me, problem, I was being blocked, by who I shall not mention to keep that off topic stuff out of this forum.. The banning were related directly to: when it dealt with the social model of disability. People did not really like the idea that their direct or indirect actions was harming other people. When it came to the exclusion factor. One person had the gall to tell me to get a job. That was when I went into the nuts and bolts of the nature of the exclusion and it wasn't even related to the actions or lack of actions on my part that is stopping me from working.

gist of what I been trying to say is I have a particular disability that would get me killed if I try to ride on the street without some kind of dedicated space for the bike that keeps the cars completely off. Negligent drivers are the ones that will kill me, especially with the FACT my disabilities are all hidden to the naked eye. Drivers assume I am normal, that I can hear them that I will move out of the way when I hear them, well guess what I didn't move when they expected me too because of false assumptions that they have right away etc among the many other things they do when they are driving that they really should not be.

Only place for me is on the side walk, with me following pedestrian rules. This has worked for 6+ years. until now. Neighbors in this building are forcing or trying to force the police in to taking actions in which the police do not want to do. Police here do not want me on the street any more than I do. Police do not get to interpret the law. They have to up hold it when a civilian forces their hand. Thus forcing me onto the street where even police fear I would get killed.

Thing is if it wasn't for the law and the civilians trying to exclude , This would not even have been an issue at all. I have a 100% safety record and I am dang proud of it, considering that they say statistics speaking that side walk is more dangerous.
The key is which set of rules, you use, when riding on side walks. pedestrian rules not the street rules. Meaning that you go no faster than a jog. unless the conditions allow it. And the must of being able to stop on the dime. Assume you do not have right away at any time. Look every where where traffic might pop out at you. That is in front of you not behind you.

Disabled Rider

 

[Shaun]

Okay, so you have to ride on the sidewalk but you feel it is being made difficult for you when it has otherwise been okay for the past few years.

What are you hoping to get from posting about it here? What do you believe we can do to assist/advise?

 

[Mugshot]

gist of what I been trying to say is I have a particular disability that would get me killed if I try to ride on the street without some kind of dedicated space for the bike that keeps the cars completely off. Negligent drivers are the ones that will kill me, especially with the FACT my disabilities are all hidden to the naked eye. Drivers assume I am normal, that I can hear them that I will move out of the way when I hear them, well guess what I didn't move when they expected me too because of false assumptions that they have right away etc among the many other things they do when they are driving that they really should not be.

Only place for me is on the side walk, with me following pedestrian rules. This has worked for 6+ years. until now. Neighbors in this building are forcing or trying to force the police in to taking actions in which the police do not want to do. Police here do not want me on the street any more than I do. Police do not get to interpret the law. They have to up hold it when a civilian forces their hand. Thus forcing me onto the street where even police fear I would get killed.

Thing is if it wasn't for the law and the civilians trying to exclude , This would not even have been an issue at all. I have a 100% safety record and I am dang proud of it, considering that they say statistics speaking that side walk is more dangerous.
The key is which set of rules, you use, when riding on side walks. pedestrian rules not the street rules. Meaning that you go no faster than a jog. unless the conditions allow it. And the must of being able to stop on the dime. Assume you do not have right away at any time. Look every where where traffic might pop out at you. That is in front of you not behind you.

Disabled Rider

Thank you
Are you saying that your neighbours are speaking to the police specifically to stop you from riding on the "side walks"? If they are what has changed from 6 years ago?

 

[disabled rider]

Okay, so you have to ride on the sidewalk but you feel it is being made difficult for you when it has otherwise been okay for the past few years.

What are you hoping to get from posting about it here? What do you believe we can do to assist/advise?

Actually I been on the side walks for the last 6+ years.

Civilians / neighbors are trying to force me on to the road , using the letter of the law, where I will go splat under some negligent driver.