Dawes Kingpin

[EltonFrog]

I recently sold mine, but did appreciate it while I had it. I feel they just have more about them than the R20 (including a proper headset bearing).

And not to mention the bottom bracket.

 

[KoffMixtures]

Rowan has a habit of talking up the cycles he's planing to sell.
I do however, enjoy his video's.
It would be interesting to read a dispassionate review of the KP and R20, back to back.
The R20 headset bearing is a much maligned feature with sound engineering reasons for its use.
The KP frame is elegant but has a reputation for bending in the middle.
I have 5 R20's. Never heard of these bending (unless there's a hinge in the middle).

EDIT: Nothing wrong with the R2O bottom bracket, unless you wish to fit a none-standard B/B.

 

[EltonFrog]

The KP frame is elegant but has a reputation for bending in the middle.

says who? Where’s the evidence?
Aside from the misjudged re-design of the folder KP in the last year of manufacture ‘ 88/89 I’ve seen no evidence that the Kingpin bends.

However, I’ll show a couple examples of a bent or broken 20.

 

[EltonFrog]

Thought I'd add this in here rather than starting a new thread.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE24S6RXLnU

For all you KP fans, Rowan over at Velocipedium has just loaded a review of his.
I've yet to own one, but have several R20 variants, so look forward to his upcoming comparison video.

He seems to imply that KP is a copy of the R20.
Dawes Kingpin predates the R20 by four years (1964). The R20 is a copy of the Kingpin. Initially the Dawes released the Newpin as a split apart bike with 20” wheels, the Newpin developed into the Kingpin, and the Newpin model ran alongside the KP for a while.

 

[FrankCrank]

Good job these old timers predate carbon fibre.
Imagine nonchalantly cycling along, then all of a sudden it starts raining, and the bike just dissolves away beneath you

 

[EltonFrog]

Thought I'd add this in here rather than starting a new thread.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE24S6RXLnU

For all you KP fans, Rowan over at Velocipedium has just loaded a review of his.
I've yet to own one, but have several R20 variants, so look forward to his upcoming comparison video.

I’m pretty sure I owned this actual bike that’s in the video. SEE HERE.

 

[FrankCrank]

I’m pretty sure I owned this actual bike that’s in the video. SEE HERE.

Hey Mr.Frog, keep an eye out for one for me, I'll be back there mid March.
My brother knows I'm after one, so he's got the Reading area covered.
I appreciate they're more rare than R20's, but hoping one will eventually come my way

 

[EltonFrog]

Hey Mr.Frog, keep an eye out for one for me, I'll be back there mid March.
My brother knows I'm after one, so he's got the Reading area covered.
I appreciate they're more rare than R20's, but hoping one will eventually come my way

Will do.