Cyclist runs dow pedestrian

[CopperBrompton]

Bonus points if you manage to overtake the 747

 

[Tynan]

Yes, and a cyclist, motorcyclist or car driver has a duty to overtake safety. Specifically, you may not overtake if you cannot see that it is safe to do so.

Rules of the road do apply to cyclists too, you know.

Ben

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those are rules for cars and you know it or at least should

this cyclist was undertaking wasn't he/she?

I've gone blue in the face quoting HC and rules of the road

they apply to peds too you know, we should have jaywalking like the yanks

jeez

 

[BentMikey]

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we should have jaywalking like the yanks

jeez

No we shouldn't - that would be incredibly ignorant and car centric. Pedestrians are king of the road, not us wheeled vehicles.

(Admittedly I used to think that jaywalking was a crime, but I've come to realise how enlightened the idea of public highway is).

 

[Tynan]

if you think the idea of a pedestrian wandering around in a road with cars, buses, trucks, motorbikes and cyclists all moving at speed across the pedestrian's path while there's perfectly good crossings is a good one then fine, fill your boots

 

[Riding in Circles]

Indeed. It always amazes me the way some people will bend over backwards to defend cyclists just because they're cyclists. Substitute driver for cyclist, and cyclist for pedestrian, and we'd have a complete reversal in attitude from the minority who seem to think cyclists can do no wrong.

Like a little cabal of cycling Paul Smiths.

 

[Bollo]

if you think the idea of a pedestrian cyclist wandering around in a road with cars, buses, trucks, motorbikes all moving at speed across the pedestrian's cyclist's path while there's perfectly good crossings cyle paths is a good one then fine, fill your boots.

Fine - a challenge then. For one day, try walking everywhere using only zebra crossings, pelican crossings and controlled crossings at traffic lights.

 

[BentMikey]

Every time you put foot to tarmac, I want you to remember that according to your own viewpoint you have no place on the road, and you deserve to be run over for walking there, as well as the rest of us. No crossing anywhere except at a crossing place, and no getting out of your car except via the passenger door straight to the pavement.

Hmm, maybe your viewpoint isn't right after all? What Bollo said, basically.

if you think the idea of a pedestrian wandering around in a road with cars, buses, trucks, motorbikes and cyclists all moving at speed across the pedestrian's path while there's perfectly good crossings is a good one then fine, fill your boots

YA an American and ICMFP?

 

[Mr Pig]

an HGV overtook me and slammed on the brakes, a ped decided to cross in front of him from his right

A woman did that in Airdrie a couple of years ago which resulted in flowers on the lamppost.

If a vehicle has stopped at a pedestrian crossing to let a pedestrian cross, then you shouldn't go past them

Quite right. Basically it sounds like the cyclist was not looking where he was going.

 

[hackbike 6]

I do actually want to take my own responsibility for when I cross the road and try to cross in a sensible place not putting myself/motorists/cyclists and any other road users at risk.

 

[BentMikey]

Well yes of course, but to me the problem is that to so many vehicular road users this means "stay the fcuk out of my way pedestrian". I know that's not the case with you Hackers, you're one of the good guys.

 

[hackbike 6]

Why thanks BM.

 

[stargazer]

What is beyond the HGV?

LHVs - Longer Heavier Vehicles. 25m long and 60 tonnes.

An old story, but .... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/nov/27/letshavenotruckwiththem

 

[jonesy]

Fine - a challenge then. For one day, try walking everywhere using only zebra crossings, pelican crossings and controlled crossings at traffic lights.

Absolutely. If we think provision on the road for cyclists is poor, then provision for pedestrians is very often far far worse, with pedestrians facing long detours, delays at crossings and complex multi-stage crossings of dangerous junctions (e.g. around the arms of a roundabout) where people who may not be drivers themselves and may even have limited mobility and poor eyesight, have to make complex judgements about traffic movements.

In any workplace environment where dangerous equipment is present it would not be legally acceptable to blame someone for getting injured, even through their own error, if that situation was foreseeable. It is immoral that the contrary position remains on the road.

 

[HF2300]

yes I know the HC, ... undertaking slow moving traffic is perfectly legal and part and parcel of London cycling

No, the HC is clear - you can't overtake on the left unless the person in front is turning right and there is room to do so, or unless traffic is moving in queues and the queue in the lane to your right is moving slower than you.

AFAIK this applies to all road vehicles, and it's certainly linked to under the bicycles as well as cars sections in the online version.

RTA 1988 S29: If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he is guilty of an offence.

What is beyond the HGV?

I was going to go for this...

Or possibly this...

 

[CopperBrompton]

Originally Posted by Ben Lovejoy
Yes, and a cyclist, motorcyclist or car driver has a duty to overtake safety. Specifically, you may not overtake if you cannot see that it is safe to do so.

those are rules for cars

So cyclists are, according to you, allowed to overtake whether or not they can see that it is safe to do so?

we should have jaywalking like the yanks

I look forward to you reporting back on your acceptance of the no-jaywalking challenge ...

Ben