Out and proud. Unfortunately the debate is as stuck as ever. It will be interesting to see what happens now the CTC has thrown in the towel but I think I'll stick to my own cycling Galapagos of one and let the campaign business do its worst - or nothing, whichever is more effective.
Cyclecraft is "destroying" UK cycling
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Out and proud. Unfortunately the debate is as stuck as ever. It will be interesting to see what happens now the CTC has thrown in the towel but I think I'll stick to my own cycling Galapagos of one and let the campaign business do its worst - or nothing, whichever is more effective.
Out and out to wind people up. 'Stuck' being a way of saying 'I've not convinced anybody'. And 'Galapagos of one' meaning criticising the efforts of others while not doing much of anything yourself. Soyanara!
Not out to wind people up at all, though hardly surprised debate is seen as controversial in some quarters. My point is as it ever was, there is no utility cycling outside a few hotspots and it's pure myth to believe there is. I'd say 40+ years of bike riding was statement of intent in itself with or without the approval of self-appointed gurus.
I'd go further and say cycle campaigning has done nothing for utility cycling, except perhaps increase the likelihood of prosecution of a few errant drivers. Hardly a winning appraisal after decades of money being spent on its behalf. If that conclusion is a 'wind-up' I suggest you need to take the blinkers off and smell your double de-caff.
I'd go further and say cycle campaigning has done nothing for utility cycling, except perhaps increase the likelihood of prosecution of a few errant drivers. Hardly a winning appraisal after decades of money being spent on its behalf. If that conclusion is a 'wind-up' I suggest you need to take the blinkers off and smell your double de-caff.
GrumpyGregry
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I live in a 30mph zone. I've timed vehicles* doing 45+mph down my street. If they drive at 30mph in a 20mph zone that would be a significant improvement in the qulaity of the environment.
*and been felt by the long arm of Inspector Knacker as a result of doing so.
subaqua
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yes that would be an improvement. even the road humps don't deter em here , you can hear the underbody skids hitting the bump (either side too) .
one day i am just gonna step out and see what happens . not when they are close enough to hit me but close enough so they scrae emselves.
next to deal with is the idiots on mobiles , but thats a whole new thread.
You do remind me of the Black Knight though as large chunks of your argument get lopped off by the facts while you declare " 'tis but a scratch"
subaqua
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depends on your definition of main road that does.
the nearest main road to me at the moment is the A12. not gonna see any cyclists on the section i can see from here in work.
statistics can be used to show anything. in fact 92% OF STATISTICS ARE MADE UP (with a nod of the head to Mark Twain)
jonesy
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For some odd reason you seem to have got the impression someone has claimed that there are lots of cyclists on your nearest main road. Perhaps you could point out the post that makes that claim?
Yes it's very confusing. I can't even remember whether Blockend has told us where he lives...
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Now now, Jonesy. Your demand for logic and reasoning is quite simply a beastly affront to prejudice.
jonesy
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Well let's not jump to conclusions, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that, for some reason we haven't thought of, the number of cyclists on blockend's road can be used to falsify our arguments in favour of traffic reduction, speed restraint, reallocation of roadspace, sustainable land use planning and urban design; but I'm not holding my breath...
OK, so let me get this straight, because I'm not quite sure about the threshold of proof here - if there are less than ten cyclists on Blockend's road in a given hour, we're all f***ed, right?
Fortunately for me, a few blokes on a messageboard with astronomical post counts do not represent objectivity or good manners. I'll ask the same question I came in with and hope for a different answer, is utility cycling in Britain as a whole numerically meaningful as a means of transport, or a splendid diversion for a few amateur politicians?
jonesy
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Well I'm not really sure, because the argument is a bit too complex for me, but maybe it is a bit like me being able to work out whether there is any future for renewable energy by looking out of my upstairs window ...
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