Crown paint...

[Mr Pig]

I agree. I've never painted over wallpaper. Our house now has no wall paper anywhere in it.

My wife's mum and dad live in a traditional detached house that has never had paper on the livingroom walls since it was built a hundred years ago! The walls are perfect ;0)

 

[Mr Pig]

From my experience a good tradesman ...

Ah, but that's fine if you qualify your experience like that ;0) From 'my' experience the words 'good' and 'tradesmen' seldom appear together in the same sentence without the words 'why the f*** can't you find any' in front of them!

 

[Night Train]

Ah, but that's fine if you qualify your experience like that ;0) From 'my' experience the words 'good' and 'tradesmen' seldom appear together in the same sentence without the words 'why the f*** can't you find any' in front of them!

Maybe it wasn't a strictly fair response. The trades people I know are good or I don't want to know them. Many of them, like me, are part time college teachers because we are good at what we do.

I must admit I have had some experience of bad tradesmen, usually it is brief as they don't stay on the job for long.

 

[catwoman]

Dulux trade paint every time for me, goes on very well and it's low odour. I've got a trade paint centre very close to me and it's great. I stand there getting smaller lots mixed and I'm surrounded by men in white overalls all buying 100's of litre of magnolia in those huge buckets.
The best coverage I found last time was diamond matt. A little bit more costly but a fantastic finish and very hardwearing. No wallpaper in my house either.

 

[Globalti]

I usually use Crown paint and I don't have any problems with it. But like Speicher I get it from a trade centre. I don't know if the quality there is supposed to be any better than the retail stuff though.

Yes, the Trade outlets sell a superior quality of paint to the retail; professionals don't want to be wasting valuable time putting on third or fourth coats. The staff at Dulux Decorator centres are excellent, experienced and ready to give advice.

I know a little bit about paint formulation and I can tell you that it is possible to make a very cheap paint, which has a lot of fillers and a little of the rest.

Before Dulux Trade paints the best we have ever used is The Little Greene Paint Company; http://www.thelittlegreene.com/paints_select.asp?gclid=COrEhr7LqJUCFQpPQgodxViBkA their products are absolutely superb. You won't really understand how until you try them!

 

[Mr Pig]

Yes, the Trade outlets sell a superior quality of paint to the retail

If you go to a Dulux trade centre and buy tub of Trade Supermat then hop on down to B&Q and buy a tub of Dulux Trade Supermat there you will find that they are exactly the same. The tubs are identical in every way and so is the paint inside them!

If you buy a different Dulux paint in B&Q then sure, it might not be as good, but B&Q sell the same trade paints as the trade centres do. The bod in the trade centre might 'tell' you that they don't, but he would wouldn't he?

 

[tdr1nka]

Having read thru this thread, I've got the 'Super Fresco, it's from Graham & Brown' advert stuck in my head now.

 

[gbb]

If you go to a Dulux trade centre and buy tub of Trade Supermat then hop on down to B&Q and buy a tub of Dulux Trade Supermat there you will find that they are exactly the same. The tubs are identical in every way and so is the paint inside them!

If you buy a different Dulux paint in B&Q then sure, it might not be as good, but B&Q sell the same trade paints as the trade centres do. The bod in the trade centre might 'tell' you that they don't, but he would wouldn't he?

If you can buy Dulux Trade paint at B&Q, so much the better.
But surely, the point is the Trade paint is better than Dulux non trade stuff that B&Q and the like sell.
I've checked this at work today...
Dulux Trade Magnolia V Silk...coverage approx 16 mtr2
Dulux Magnolia V Silk (the Dulux non trade most of us buy in retail outlets)...coverage approx 12 to 14 mtr2
Therefore...the Dulux Trade paint is better than the Dulux non trade paint.

The same will almost certainly be true of Crown paints too.

 

[Mr Pig]

Dulux Trade paint is better than the Dulux non trade paint.

Sure, but that's not the same as saying that paint out of a trade centre is better than paint out of B&Q. It isn't, if the paint out of B&Q is the same paint.

Last time I bought Trade Supermat B&Q was about £6 cheaper than the Dulux Trade centre for the same 10L tub.

 

[gbb]

I think theres too many variables and unknowns in this thread.

We can simplify it a lot...(i usually do this, but this time i didnt )
Once you've decided which colour you want...look at the different manufacturers, Dulux, Crown, own brand, Trade etc. On the can it will tell you the coverage you should achieve.
The more the coverage, the better the paint.

See what happens when you let your guard down and buy impulsively

 

[Fab Foodie]

I had the opposite problem with Crown paint recently, it was Matt Emulsion and was soo thick it would barely come out of the brush making cutting-in really difficult. Coverage was really poor as you could barely get it out of the roller and could would barely spread at all. Miserable stuff to use.

 

[Globalti]

You could have added some water....!

 

[Maz]

How do you buy trade paint if you're not 'in the trade'?
Surely the Dulux paint (for example) is the same quality whether you buy it from B&Q or a 'trade' place.

 

[Iceniner]

There are many trade places scattered around the country you can just go and buy things. Often trade paint is better quality because they expect painters to thin it by 10% or so.

Home brand paint is often made by the larger companies such as dulux or crown anyhow so you're only buying a derivative of these. As to which paint you prefer it depends on how thick you like it as well. Both companies use different thickeners, crown use liquid thickening products which become very runny when using them where as dulux use powder based ones.

"The more the coverage, the better the paint." This isnt strictly true as this depends on many factors. For example dulux's once only coat is designed to be thicker. By being thicker it puts down a thicker coat, therefore more pigment and thus it covers better to avoid a second coat. Because it spreads less it will give a lower coverage per meter squared but its still a good paint.

Not sure if you guys use glideen but its not as good as dulux (even though its made by the same company - its made for the american market which have different designs tastes and needs.)

P.s I have met the dulux dog :-)

 

[Globalti]

How do you buy trade paint if you're not 'in the trade'?
Surely the Dulux paint (for example) is the same quality whether you buy it from B&Q or a 'trade' place.

You just stroll into a Dulux Decorator Centre.

After years of decorating we have come to the conclusion that the "trade" paint sold in these places is superior to the retail stuff sold in B&Q.

As I wrote earlier, paint formulation is such that you can make a thousand different qualities of paint, from the Focus DIY or Ikea made-to-a-price stuff to the Little Greene Paint Co or Farrow & Ball top quality stuff. The formulation affects the viscosity, the spreadability, the opacity, dry elasticity, depth of colour and the durability and resistance to UV, damp and fungi plus several other aspects I haven't though about.