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You sound as confused about this as I am.
Pale Rider
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As a general point, I've seen juries over the years acquit defendants when both sides of the same punch-up are in the dock, as in this case.
Seems to me juries may be confused or in some way uneasy about that situation, the safest course then being not guilty verdicts.
Stokes ran self-defence of another - the gay men - as a defence.
The jury may only have been unsure that defence was true, which is slightly different to believing it, but the result is the same - not guilty.
The CCTV did/does look bad on Stokes, although footage of him in handcuffs in the back of the police car showed him being Captain Sensible, which may have undermined the prosecution's case of booze-fuelled 'red mist' violence.
Before the trial started the prosecution tried to add alternative counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm against Stokes.
The judge refused, partly on the basis the prosecution had 11 months to prepare the case, thus there's an element of an under-pressure CPS doing case preparation at the last minute.
The jury didn't know about that application, which is why it's only been reported at the end of the trial after they've been discharged.
Questions are also being asked about why Alex Hales wasn't charged.
Handy for Stokes, because he could heap some of the blame onto him, although I doubt they will now be on the lash together anytime soon.
Seems to me juries may be confused or in some way uneasy about that situation, the safest course then being not guilty verdicts.
Stokes ran self-defence of another - the gay men - as a defence.
The jury may only have been unsure that defence was true, which is slightly different to believing it, but the result is the same - not guilty.
The CCTV did/does look bad on Stokes, although footage of him in handcuffs in the back of the police car showed him being Captain Sensible, which may have undermined the prosecution's case of booze-fuelled 'red mist' violence.
Before the trial started the prosecution tried to add alternative counts of assault occasioning actual bodily harm against Stokes.
The judge refused, partly on the basis the prosecution had 11 months to prepare the case, thus there's an element of an under-pressure CPS doing case preparation at the last minute.
The jury didn't know about that application, which is why it's only been reported at the end of the trial after they've been discharged.
Questions are also being asked about why Alex Hales wasn't charged.
Handy for Stokes, because he could heap some of the blame onto him, although I doubt they will now be on the lash together anytime soon.
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Why Hales wasn't charged is a good question, was he in court as a witness? If he wasn't could it be that the jury didn't get the full picture?
Pale Rider
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Hales wasn't called as a witness as far as I'm aware.
He certainly wasn't legally represented, so it was open season on him for the others to deflect the blame in his direction.
The jury might have wondered why they didn't hear from him, or some others, such as the gay men.
Routinely, the jury would have been told not to speculate, and to try the case on the evidence presented to them in court.
He certainly wasn't legally represented, so it was open season on him for the others to deflect the blame in his direction.
The jury might have wondered why they didn't hear from him, or some others, such as the gay men.
Routinely, the jury would have been told not to speculate, and to try the case on the evidence presented to them in court.
Dayvo
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Hmmm, India, put into bat on a green-top, made 329 all out; England dismissed just now for 161.
No indication of home advantage there.
No indication of home advantage there.
Dayvo
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Home advantage, you know!
We're only going to get stuffed, as opposed to being annihilated. Mind you, I'd be very happy for Stokes and Buttler just bat and bat and bat...
But,
Just finishing the day off would amaze me.Home advantage, you know!
We're only going to get stuffed, as opposed to being annihilated. Mind you, I'd be very happy for Stokes and Buttler just bat and bat and bat...
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Dayvo
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Nope, 'fraid not!
Dayvo
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16 overs left, and brave of Bairstow to come in now. He can expect the short ball to test him.
Dayvo
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Oh, fack me!
First ball. Bumrah on a hat-trick!
First ball. Bumrah on a hat-trick!
Dayvo
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She's just leaving her room.
Dayvo
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13 overs remaining and England have two wickets left.
Can't see it going into the fifth day.
Can't see it going into the fifth day.
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Agreed. Valiant stand from Stokes and Buttler but the damage had already been done on Sunday. Very frustrating after dominating the first two tests.
