COVID Vaccine !

[fossyant]

Direct from the NHS website:-

 

[Pale Rider]

I had some soreness from the second jab which I didn't have from the first.

I also felt the second go in, but not the first.

A nurse agreed with me the skill of the jabber may play some part.

Both Pfizer, but obviously from a different batch and possibly from a different manufacturer/factory.

I wonder if the once only syringes vary a tiny bit which impacts their effect on the jab site.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

They still need to prioritise. Hotspot areas would be my priority.

So you would prioritise fit younger age groups rather than vulnerable slightly older groups? Just to clarify, a clinically vulnerable 25 year old severe asthmatic in Bristol would fall behind fit and healthy 20 year olds in Bolton?

I'll be expecting a call bringing my appointment forward then?

If you are in groups 1-9, and your first jab was around 8 weeks ago, and you still have 4 weeks to wait, then yes, you can expect a call to bring you forward.

 

[Julia9054]

So you would prioritise fit younger age groups rather than vulnerable slightly older groups? Just to clarify, a clinically vulnerable 25 year old severe asthmatic in Bristol would fall behind fit and healthy 20 year olds in Bolton?

In an attempt to prevent spread to areas where rates are currently very low.

 

[Pale Rider]

Looks like the jab programme is being tweaked largely in an attempt to target the Indian variant.

Mutterings of a delayed unlocking of the lockdown if that one takes hold.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57126318

 

[midlife]

First jab doesn't do a whole lot to reduce transmission, that effect kicks in two weeks after second jab is how I read it. So not a lot of point in vaccinating Indian variant hot spots as that's a 12 week or so lead in. I would expect the best way at the moment is test, trace, isolate plus all the usual distancing etc. Should cut down on serious illness and hospitalisation though.

 

[Pale Rider]

First jab doesn't do a whole lot to reduce transmission, that effect kicks in two weeks after second jab is how I read it. So not a lot of point in vaccinating Indian variant hot spots as that's a 12 week or so lead in. I would expect the best way at the moment is test, trace, isolate plus all the usual distancing etc. Should cut down on serious illness and hospitalisation though.

Makes sense, although the sooner you do jab one, the sooner you will get to jab two and a worthwhile decrease in transmission.

 

[lane]

Apparently they are going to reduce the time between doses for over 50s from 12 weeks to 8 weeks.
Are they going to reschedule all the appointments already made or is it just another unworkable Boris platitude.

Largely unworkable I suspect. When they had a vaccine shortage here they were supposed to re schedule but didn't happend for me and others I saw. Plus where do you start - people with an appointment in a week, two weeks by which time you are only bringing very few forward because most over 50s will have had them . Probably would have been a better idea to have tried harder to stop the variant getting here - they were warned.

 

[lane]

OK. So 8 week schedule only for those who don't already have their 2nd jab appointment. Mine - booked a while back - is for 11 weeks and 6 days after my first.
It would seem more sensible to me to prioritise younger people's first dose in hotspot areas.

Over 50s have all had first jab long ago so reducing time between jabs for over 50s booking first dose now is meaningless!

 

[Craig the cyclist]

In an attempt to prevent spread to areas where rates are currently very low.

So you would prioritise less vulnerable groups, for the sake of more vulnerable groups? Then when the 25 year old Bristolian asthmatic who had their second dose cancelled dies you can come on here and announce that Boris is sacrificing the vulnerable, and no-one knows what they are doing

The system is doing its absolute best right now, it is a shame that you can't feel the pressure it is under from all angles..........

From the media, did you hear some of the press conference questions yesterday? Seriously, idiots.
From patient groups, it's not fair that my xxx can't have the jab, they have xxx disease, it's a scandal.
From people who are 35 because 36 year olds are getting it, and trust me, that has happened in every age group change all the way down from 50.
From anti-vaxxers, I know of a nurse being threatened with rape while she was alone in a car park because she was carrying out a genocide on people by injecting poison in to minority groups, after a 9 hour shift in a vaccination centre.
From people like yourself who handily point out that whatever the change made, you would have done something different and better, although you can't actually tell us what.
From people who just plain lie about themselves to get/not get the vaccine.
From more besides this lot.

One day, people working in the system will get to say what it was like dealing with this. It's not pretty at times, and everyone is just trying their absolute best, in a situation where not all the facts are known (and indeed fundamentally change on a terrifyingly regular basis) to deal with injecting 60 to 70 million people in a few months in places that were not designed to ever host a health intervention.

One day everyone will look back and realise this was actually a minor f**king miracle that any of this happened, from the very top to the very bottom, and they will look back and be bloody grateful for the effort that has been put in to it by a surprisingly small group of people who are working their f**king arses off 7 days a week.

 

[Julia9054]

Then when the 25 year old Bristolian asthmatic who had their second dose cancelled dies you can come on here and announce that Boris is sacrificing the vulnerable, and no-one knows what they are doing

Conjecture on your part.

although you can't actually tell us what.

I just did.

working their f**king arses off 7 days a week.

It’s policy I am questioning, not the efforts of teams on the ground.

 

[lane]

So you would prioritise less vulnerable groups, for the sake of more vulnerable groups? Then when the 25 year old Bristolian asthmatic who had their second dose cancelled dies you can come on here and announce that Boris is sacrificing the vulnerable, and no-one knows what they are doing

The system is doing its absolute best right now, it is a shame that you can't feel the pressure it is under from all angles..........

From the media, did you hear some of the press conference questions yesterday? Seriously, idiots.
From patient groups, it's not fair that my xxx can't have the jab, they have xxx disease, it's a scandal.
From people who are 35 because 36 year olds are getting it, and trust me, that has happened in every age group change all the way down from 50.
From anti-vaxxers, I know of a nurse being threatened with rape while she was alone in a car park because she was carrying out a genocide on people by injecting poison in to minority groups, after a 9 hour shift in a vaccination centre.
From people like yourself who handily point out that whatever the change made, you would have done something different and better, although you can't actually tell us what.
From people who just plain lie about themselves to get/not get the vaccine.
From more besides this lot.

One day, people working in the system will get to say what it was like dealing with this. It's not pretty at times, and everyone is just trying their absolute best, in a situation where not all the facts are known (and indeed fundamentally change on a terrifyingly regular basis) to deal with injecting 60 to 70 million people in a few months in places that were not designed to ever host a health intervention.

One day everyone will look back and realise this was actually a minor f**king miracle that any of this happened, from the very top to the very bottom, and they will look back and be bloody grateful for the effort that has been put in to it by a surprisingly small group of people who are working their f**king arses off 7 days a week.

Everyone doing thier best then people right at the top undermining the whole thing by letting variants in despite ample warning.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Conjecture on your part

Well, not really, you are criticising already, no reason to think you wouldn't criticise in the future.

I just did

Oh is this your policy you just told us about?

It would seem more sensible to me to prioritise younger people's first dose in hotspot areas

What ages? What risk factors? Which ethnic group? Where would you vaccinate them? What is the time frame? How long before you start? Would you allow them to socialise in the meantime? How would you gain consent for some? Come on, you need to sort your policy and offering, not just say younger people in hotspot areas. If you are 80, then 35 years olds are younger, if you are 35, 18 is younger, if you are 18, 10 is younger.......

Details please, spell out your policy to show us who and how you would implement your policy. Or continue to point out it is all wrong, but offer no solution. Specifics please, or admit you couldn't do it any better and let others get on with it.

It’s policy I am questioning, not the efforts of teams on the ground

Surely you can see that the teams on the ground are implementing the policy, so the criticism is of the teams on the ground?

 

[Julia9054]

Well, not really, you are criticising already, no reason to think you wouldn't criticise in the future.

No, you are right Craig. One should accept every policy decision made by the government without question. One should never be questioning whether a policy decision is made because it is the most effective thing to do rather than because it is easier or politically expedient.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Everyone doing thier best then people right at the top undermining the whole thing by letting variants in despite ample warning.

Let's stop all flights and boats from entering the UK, that will do it. Absolutely no-one in or out, ever, until Covid is eradicated from the rest of the world forever, that will nail it.

But I will let you go with this, as I suggested to Julia, be very specific, how will you deal with another variant?

We need you to be absolutely clear with your plan, and how each step will be implemented and by who and in what time frame. But you don't get to know how it will get in the UK, where it will come from or if it is more lethal or more transmissable. On you go please, the floor is yours..........