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[roubaixtuesday]

I'm pretty sure they're separate staff.

I've been involved in similar, and I can assure you, you're unequivocally wrong.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

It's that they think AZ aren't busting guts to get any to the EU.

No they don't. That's obviously bollix.

 

[mjr]

I've been involved in similar, and I can assure you, you're unequivocally wrong.

So the AZ vaccine is made by its legal team?

 

[Eric Olthwaite]

So the AZ vaccine is made by its legal team?

Anybody with experience of major litigation will know that the effort required goes far beyond the legal team and takes up a great deal of time from line managers and executives (in this case, those in charge of production) who must act as factual witnesses. So yes, the case will have a material impact on AZ's speed of production. And as a result, people will die.

 

[mjr]

Anybody with experience of major litigation

Just to authenticate your point, what is your experience of being sued for millions of euros for breach of contract?

If, as some here suggest, it's so clear cut why "best efforts" doesn't include shipping any vaccine from two production sites listed in the contract, then I'm sure the case will collapse or be dismissed before witnesses are needed.

 

[Pale Rider]

then I'm sure the case will collapse or be dismissed before witnesses are needed.

The distraction impact is AZ need to prepare their defence whether the case ultimately proceeds to a full hearing or not.

AZ shouldn't be excused compliance with contract law just because they are making a vaccine, but I'd like to think the EU thought very carefully before embarking on this course of action.

The cynic in me tells me this is yet another example of the EU spending vast sums of public money on irrelevant side issues rather than concentrating on the job in hand.

 

[Eric Olthwaite]

Just to authenticate your point, what is your experience of being sued for millions of euros for breach of contract?

If, as some here suggest, it's so clear cut why "best efforts" doesn't include shipping any vaccine from two production sites listed in the contract, then I'm sure the case will collapse or be dismissed before witnesses are needed.

I have extensive experience of litigation of this nature.

And no, witnesses can't wait until they know whether they are "needed" or not, before preparing their evidence.

 

[vickster]

Bookings online now open to 42+ In England

although I’m not sure if any CCers are that young (their kids might be though )

 

[mjr]

I have extensive experience of litigation of this nature.

Can you share any specifics or are people expected to trust a pseudonym taken from Ripping Yarns?

And no, witnesses can't wait until they know whether they are "needed" or not, before preparing their evidence.

Surely any legitimate evidence exists and would be preserved regardless of whether a court case is live or not. It shouldn't need to be prepared or manufactured. If even AZ's supporters think otherwise, then...!!!

 

[Eric Olthwaite]

Can you share any specifics or are people expected to trust a pseudonym taken from Ripping Yarns?

I let the first suggestion that I am a liar pass. Not doing the same again. Bye.

 

[C R]

Can you share any specifics or are people expected to trust a pseudonym taken from Ripping Yarns?


Surely the evidence exists and would be preserved regardless of whether a court case is live or not. It shouldn't need to be prepared or manufactured.

Two people here have told you the same thing, my experience is the same as a tech body being involved in litigation, so that makes three. You may choose to believe what you think happens with this kind of suits, it doesn't change what actually happens.

 

[mjr]

I let the first suggestion that I am a liar pass. Not doing the same again. Bye.

There was no such suggestion. You posted a so called appeal to authority rather than reasoning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

It seems justified to ask the basis for that authoritativeness.

 

[PK99]

Surely any legitimate evidence exists and would be preserved regardless of whether a court case is live or not. It shouldn't need to be prepared or manufactured. If even AZ's supporters think otherwise, then...!!!

You clearly do not have relevant experience. Listen to people who do.

 

[Milkfloat]

Two people here have told you the same thing, my experience is the same as a tech body being involved in litigation, so that makes three. You may choose to believe what you think happens with this kind of suits, it doesn't change what actually happens.

I can make that four. I am in a very technical role a world apart from the legal bods, but over the years have spent many, many hours gathering information and compiling evidence to be used whilst defending and pursuing legal claims for the company.

 

[mjr]

You clearly do not have relevant experience. Listen to people who do.

Just as soon as any more than pseudonyms making vague claims show up...

Also, I'm rather disappointed if many scientists aren't keeping log books anyway that are good enough evidence already, without significant extra time spent on them.