Counselling

[vickster]

That was the one with the 4 month wait for here might be fine for the OP, wasn't going to work for me at that time unfortunately

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

What would you suggest then?

BABCP, BPS, NHS, GMC registered therapist with additional specialist training and experience , NMC (RMN only) registered therapist with additional specialist training and experience.

 

[Firestorm]

I was referred by my GP , you may need a diagnosis first, in order to get the right treatment,
I had counselling for Stress and anxiety management, there are others for diverse issue like depression, anorexia, anger management, relationships...

 

[shouldbeinbed]

Quick hit and run, so apols if repeating others:

GP referral for NHS or private route. Also good if you have an occupational health dept (ono) at work, they should have contacts to suitable people, can assist/assess you initially and refer you in the right direction.

Counselling was a godsend when I had my major wobble. However as with the interminable Chiro/Physio/Osteo arguments on here, there are different strands and approaches within the mental health sphere all of which have their ardent fans and equally ardent detractors. It can sometimes need visits to more than one person to find who is right for you and your unique set of circumstances.

It was my occy health that got me to the right psychologist after my initial forays into counselling via my GP had not proved particularly successful at unravelling the gaudian knotted ball of string my brain had become.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Can you still ask for a referral to a CPN?

Yes you can self refer to some CMHTs but the criteria is so high due to cutbacks within the NHS, loss of third party partners, lack of qualified and experienced staff, and most recently the agency fee cappings.
All GP's and mental health professionals (inc non NHS) can refer direct to secondary MH services but most common referrals come from Primary Care Services (edit) and A&E MH teams.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

BACP is the leading organisation for counselling in the UK. It is recognised nationally and internationally, and is working with other organisations such as UKCP and the BPS, on statutory regulation. Holding a BACP accredited qualification used to be the NHS minimum requirement for employment before the Government decided to water down the requirements with the introduction of the IAPT programme, which primarily uses people with low level qualifications.

No, it's a pay a fee and join with minimum requirements. Only the BABCP accreditation is now asked for by the NHS. Counselling is not a thoroughly RCTed evidence based practice. That's why there are so many pcc's looking for work.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

BACP is the leading organisation for counselling in the UK. It is recognised nationally and internationally, and is working with other organisations such as UKCP and the BPS, on statutory regulation. Holding a BACP accredited qualification used to be the NHS minimum requirement for employment before the Government decided to water down the requirements with the introduction of the IAPT programme, which primarily uses people with low level qualifications.

People with low level qualifications?! You've clearly no idea wtf your talking about.

 

[ufkacbln]

Depending on the employer,and your relationship, some employers have a service available

We use a company called Aquilis and staff can refer themselves, or I can make a management referral.

Either way my experiences have been good and it has also meant that where necessary I have been able to offer additional support, workplace changes where necessary

Most referrals are seen within 48 hours, quicker in some cases

Also my employer has an appropriately qualified nurse working within Occ Health who deals with mental health, stress etc

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Oh really? I used to commission IAPT services. I was also one of the people involved in delaying rollout on several schemes as we could not be satisfied about the quality of training provided by two universities.

Quite clearly your 'area' is different to the rest of the IAPT model who don't use counsellors.......the model uses Psychotherapies not counselling. And the LI's are still higher qualified than most private 'counsellors' HI's are MSc minimum Psychotherapists using evidence based robust psychotherapy models as per the IAPT model.
And if you are / were as you say then clearly you should know BACP accreditation is now pretty much obsolete amongst the NHS professionals and most insurance companies, HR's etc. The BABCP accreditation is in a different league.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Oh really? I used to commission IAPT services. I was also one of the people involved in delaying rollout on several schemes as we could not be satisfied about the quality of training provided by two universities.

Commissioning services doesn't necessarily mean you know your field, which based on your outdated beliefs, I don't believe you do.

 

[srw]

Commissioning services doesn't necessarily mean you know your field, which based on your outdated beliefs, I don't believe you do.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Show me the job description and person specs that says BACP is a requirement for IAPT jobs in the last 3 months.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Look on NHS jobs. Ooh - here's one: IAPT Counsellor. And here's the person spec.

Plenty more where that came from...

Oh, by the way, before I joined the NHS I worked in healthcare regulation. One of the areas I worked in was psychotherapy. Even when I joined the NHS I remained a consultant with one of the major national psychotherapy bodies, only giving it up in 2014 when I started my current job.

I also was involved with the work that has led to the Professional Standards Authority. For all your puffing of the BABCP, I think you'll find it is not an accredited register - unlike BACP.

So only one job for counsellor? And why only Band 6 if they're so valuable? When HiTs are Band 7? Out of all those trusts you quoted? Hmmm, point made I think.
A quick search in my area which includes a major metropolitan show 1 Band 6 and 2 Band 5 Counsellor jobs versus over 40 for Band 7 CBPs.
And explain this, when my wife, my daughter and I completed our masters in CBP (different intakes) why was 90% of the intake PCCs with degrees or masters in their field - who were not able to get a job and were training in CBP?

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Look on NHS jobs. Ooh - here's one: IAPT Counsellor. And here's the person spec.

Plenty more where that came from...

Oh, by the way, before I joined the NHS I worked in healthcare regulation. One of the areas I worked in was psychotherapy. Even when I joined the NHS I remained a consultant with one of the major national psychotherapy bodies, only giving it up in 2014 when I started my current job.

I also was involved with the work that has led to the Professional Standards Authority. For all your puffing of the BABCP, I think you'll find it is not an accredited register - unlike BACP.

And again, go and look at the accreditation process for both, read them properly and map across skills and qualifications required. Once you've done that, then please come back to me and try to tell me that the BACP accreditation qualifications are high without laughing.

 

[Rohloff_Brompton_Rider]

Look on NHS jobs. Ooh - here's one: IAPT Counsellor. And here's the person spec.

Plenty more where that came from...

Oh, by the way, before I joined the NHS I worked in healthcare regulation. One of the areas I worked in was psychotherapy. Even when I joined the NHS I remained a consultant with one of the major national psychotherapy bodies, only giving it up in 2014 when I started my current job.

I also was involved with the work that has led to the Professional Standards Authority. For all your puffing of the BABCP, I think you'll find it is not an accredited register - unlike BACP.

A quick search for BACP accredited counsellors shows the low levels required:

The highest qualified one has BA (Hons) in Art and a Level 4 diploma in PCC.

Others only have Level 4 in PCC with no apparent previous MH core professional registration or experience. Seriously how can you compare those with BABCP accredited CBPs?