corporal punishment - never did me any harm

[Angelfishsolo]

It's not new guidance and since when was Ed balls in the coalition?

Oh yes, the article was from 2010.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Wrong.

It demonstrates that the use of violence is not a prerequisite for youngsters growing up to be model citizens.

The case study does not a proof make. Pop over to the Helmet sub forum and see for yourself.

 

[vernon]

The case study does not a proof make. Pop over to the Helmet sub forum and see for yourself.

????????????

Are you suggesting that the degree of violence meted out to children merits their use of helmets?

 

[theclaud]

Pop over to the Helmet sub forum.

Do you mind if I don't? Helmet sub-forums, like helmets, are for losers...

 

[Crackle]

I agree the lack of discipline at home may well be a strong factor in bad behaviour in general, but also where there is discipline, it may not always be appropriate, or used to reinforce the values of the person issuing the discipline which may not be entirely correct, of course that leads to the argument that stupid people shouldn't breed!

It doesn't follow though. As a society we set standards of behaviour. In private we can behave how we like (he says typing, in his undies, holding a plant pot on his head, singing Bat Out of Hell*) but we know we can't do this in the company of others.

So the question is, what has gone wrong which makes people think it is acceptable to do so. The answer lies less with the individual and more with society. What has broken down which makes people not give two hoots about the societal norms they live in.

Introducing a big stick allowing us to beat everyone, does nothing to change what's gone wrong. We are smacking the symptom on the head, not the cause.

*I'd just like to clarify I'm not really doing that (just now)

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I don't really know what the supposed problem is. Who is lax, and in what way? What pendulum? Can you be a bit more specific?

Are you seriously telling me that you have not seen a change in the attitude of the youth in the last 30+ years. When I was in my teens the thought of getting caught by the Police for wrong-doing was terrifying. Nowadays it has no impact at all unless the teen is already in licence of the like as they know the "Feds" can't touch them. The pendulum I refer to is the attitude of society that doing nothing, turning a blind eye, reporting nothing, allowing bad behaviour to go unpunished or ever rewarded is the right approach to take.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

????????????

Are you suggesting that the degree of violence meted out to children merits their use of helmets?

Not at all. I am simply pointing out that there are many people on here who want more that one case study as evidence of proof.

 

[twobiker]

Alternatives are required, any suggestions, "grounding",no TV, no Internet, reasoning with them, not allowing them to use the F word. any others?.

 

[Crackle]

Alternatives are required, any suggestions, "grounding",no TV, no Internet, reasoning with them, not allowing them to use the F word. any others?.

Yeah, it's pretty simple. You deal with the percieved injustice.

 

[theclaud]

Are you seriously telling me that you have not seen a change in the attitude of the youth in the last 30+ years. When I was in my teens the thought of getting caught by the Police for wrong-doing was terrifying. Nowadays it has no impact at all unless the teen is already in licence of the like as they know the "Feds" can't touch them. The pendulum I refer to is the attitude of society that doing nothing, turning a blind eye, reporting nothing, allowing bad behaviour to go unpunished or ever rewarded is the right approach to take.

Chillax, Grandad, I'm only 38. I've noticed a big change over the last 30 years in the way we treat children. A change for the better.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Alternatives are required, any suggestions, "grounding",no TV, no Internet, reasoning with them, not allowing them to use the F word. any others?.

An extreme example but what would people do if they found out their child had been involved on a vicious assault on another?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Chillax, Grandad, I'm only 38. I've noticed a big change over the last 30 years in the way we treat children. A change for the better.

Oyyy I'm only two years older than you In what way do you think our children are treated better?

 

[vernon]

Not at all. I am simply pointing out that there are many people on here who want more that one case study as evidence of proof.

Try focussing on case studies relating to punishment and education then.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

Chillax, Grandad, I'm only 38.

Cheeky - you're not too old for a clip round the ear hole missy!

 

[vernon]

An extreme example but what would people do if they found out their child had been involved on a vicious assault on another?

Simple. Inform the police.