Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Is there still a shortage in health care?
If you can buy them in regular outlets such as Boots or Amazon, then they must be ok to wear.

Given the government has just handed out contacts to supply PPE to anyone who fancies one. Means they may well be come winter the Recalling 50 million masks this week is just latest recall. The mass public do not need clinical grade masks of what ever type and really is a waste given you can't hope to achieve anyway near the same standard of infection control when you just pop to the shop.
Cloth ones work just fine for what the over aim is of mass public face coverings.

 

[mjr]

Is there still a shortage in health care?
If you can buy them in regular outlets such as Boots or Amazon, then they must be ok to wear.

Boots maybe but Amazon includes a lot of "Amazon marketplace" stuff which seems at least as much a "buyer beware" zone as eBay, containing many scams like the knock-off Apple products featured in last week's BBC Click, some not working at all, most with questionable safety test certificates.

 

[marinyork]

Very bold claims about enormously high percentages of those furloughed continuing to work!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown

 

[Slick]

Very bold claims about enormously high percentages of those furloughed continuing to work!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown

Yes, very different to quantify, although I do know of some who took on other work which isn't against, the rules.

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

Very bold claims about enormously high percentages of those furloughed continuing to work!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown

Rauh thinks the government should not have tried to prevent furloughed workers from working in the first place. “It’s better for everyone that people have ignored this rule. If people are working, they might be producing something which is creating some kind of value, and they are not losing their job skills.

Yup.

 

[marinyork]

Yes, very different to quantify, although I do know of some who took on other work which isn't against, the rules.

I have heard of plenty of people who took on other work, which is not against the rules. I also know people who took on substantial volunteering commitments which is not against the rules. In the public sector there wasn't enough of this and some felt discouraged from doing so.

Also quite a few people who missed out on furlough or who got sacked before.

 

[Adam4868]

Very bold claims about enormously high percentages of those furloughed continuing to work!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ed-workers-continued-job-in-covid-19-lockdown

Which could also translate as "workers forced back Into work by their employers"
Or maybe employers making fraudulent furlough claims ?
Rules are for plebs...

 

[tom73]

Look's like SAGE has quietly moved to supporting aerosol transmission even WHO now look like they favour it. Studies have back the idea for a while now with more coming that back it up.
Much more work will need to be done on internal ventilation and transmission risk. Some work placers and hospitals will need a bit a rethink and reworking the use of PPE use will need a rethink too. Public health message on distancing , face coverings and hand washing will need to be made even more important and be reinforced more than it has been.
I really don't know why we can't widely adopt Japan's three C message (Avoid the three C's: closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings). it's simple , clear and you'd don't have to work out what setting your in and if you can or can't. It's just one constant message.
Oh guess that's why that would never do.

 

[Slick]

Look's like SAGE has quietly moved to supporting aerosol transmission even WHO now look like they favour it. Studies have back the idea for a while now with more coming that back it up.
Much more work will need to be done on internal ventilation and transmission risk. Some work placers and hospitals will need a bit a rethink and reworking the use of PPE use will need a rethink too. Public health message on distancing , face coverings and hand washing will need to be made even more important and be reinforced more than it has been.
I really don't know why we can't widely adopt Japan's three C message (Avoid the three C's: closed spaces, crowded places, and close-contact settings). it's simple , clear and you'd don't have to work out what setting your in and if you can or can't. It's just one constant message.
Oh guess that's why that would never do.

I agree, but there are a number of people who can't avoid enclosed spaces like teachers or even factory workers.

 

[Slick]

I have heard of plenty of people who took on other work, which is not against the rules. I also know people who took on substantial volunteering commitments which is not against the rules. In the public sector there wasn't enough of this and some felt discouraged from doing so.

Also quite a few people who missed out on furlough or who got sacked before.

I can't understand employers who would pay workers off without using the furlough scheme.

 

[tom73]

I agree, but there are a number of people who can't avoid enclosed spaces like teachers or even factory workers.

True not everyone can it's always going to be a case of when you can. In those situations ventilation is even more important just keeping the windows and doors opens once winter arrives will be even harder to achieve. Some real investment is going to have to come somehow.

 

[kingrollo]

so Russia has a vaccine !!!!!

 

[SpokeyDokey]

so Russia has a vaccine !!!!!

BBC link re the above:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53735718

 

[vickster]

so Russia has a vaccine !!!!!

Allegedly, but no proof it works (and is safe)

 

[Tanis8472]

Well at least the spanish flue pandemic helped end ww2


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