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Me too. They must have come across each other in some form or capacity though, it'd be odd if they hadn't.
It will go down hill once it's privatised.
Yellow Fang
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I don't understand why this app was so difficult? How complex is it? Doesn't all it do is detect when another phone is nearby and send the data back somewhere? I heard it's draining on power, because blue tooth has to be on all the time. I also heard it's iphones they can't get it to work on, which does not surprise me. Apple are very much more controlling of the software that runs on their products.
Salty seadog
Space Cadet...(3rd Class...)
No no no, you don't privatise something this important to the nation ........
Sorry, slipped off there.
Never trust a Tory.
Joey Shabadoo
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As a wee snippet, my company supplies the largest coffin manufacturer in the UK. I've been watching their consumption figures with a horrified fascination over the last few months as they went through a year's supply between March and May. The good news is they're now back to normal levels and have dropped the extra shifts.
The track and trace figures for this week are about the same as last week. So it's not really running all that smoothy.Most of the tracing has been down to the current tracing set up of local public health and the NHS. Not the bolted on Serco call centre and associated bit's. With what's gone off to date and yesterday's Harding and Hancock show it's totally running away with it's self.
Never mind a rethink on the app it all need's one from the ground up. It's still badly managed , still not joined up and still not effective enough to know one what the virus is doing and two public attitudes towards test, track and trace. We are told the tests numbers are down as pepole are not having one. We are told people must isolate out of civic duty and must work with the tracers to identify others. When it's not happening it's our fault. You don't fix social issues by blaming you find out why I've not seen or heard anything in the line of government looking into why.
It's hard to tell what's not working with testing as we no longer know how many are people are being tested. No idea on false tests numbers from professional ones compared with DIY or the private companies "trained" ones. Still no word on the turn around time numbers for test's or numbers that never come back at all. No numbers on people who try to book a test but can't or turn up and told they are not on the list. No numbers on Public lab turn around compared to private lab figures. Which set up's are working well and one's that have issues ?
A testing order line that's not 24hrs , labs that don't open long enough, a top down private + NHS + LA set up with a hope of not seeing the bit of gaffer tape. Take what we have that works which is the current local set up and build it up for decades it's been ran into ground. Locally the logististes of this are too big. So we need the army to get things moving and placers they need to be. They also have man power and the training know how to get people trained and quickly get things moving. Have a bottom up process that feed's information in at a national level. Find and publish all the data good and bad. Some areas have had a set for mouths that working well so ask them and learn from it.
Government and LA's need to be up front and tell us what local lockdown really is and how it will work. If one area is looking to be losing it then come out and say so don't say it's all rosy it's clearly not.
Never mind a rethink on the app it all need's one from the ground up. It's still badly managed , still not joined up and still not effective enough to know one what the virus is doing and two public attitudes towards test, track and trace. We are told the tests numbers are down as pepole are not having one. We are told people must isolate out of civic duty and must work with the tracers to identify others. When it's not happening it's our fault. You don't fix social issues by blaming you find out why I've not seen or heard anything in the line of government looking into why.
It's hard to tell what's not working with testing as we no longer know how many are people are being tested. No idea on false tests numbers from professional ones compared with DIY or the private companies "trained" ones. Still no word on the turn around time numbers for test's or numbers that never come back at all. No numbers on people who try to book a test but can't or turn up and told they are not on the list. No numbers on Public lab turn around compared to private lab figures. Which set up's are working well and one's that have issues ?
A testing order line that's not 24hrs , labs that don't open long enough, a top down private + NHS + LA set up with a hope of not seeing the bit of gaffer tape. Take what we have that works which is the current local set up and build it up for decades it's been ran into ground. Locally the logististes of this are too big. So we need the army to get things moving and placers they need to be. They also have man power and the training know how to get people trained and quickly get things moving. Have a bottom up process that feed's information in at a national level. Find and publish all the data good and bad. Some areas have had a set for mouths that working well so ask them and learn from it.
Government and LA's need to be up front and tell us what local lockdown really is and how it will work. If one area is looking to be losing it then come out and say so don't say it's all rosy it's clearly not.
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mjr
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From what I heard about the last tested acquaintance, there still aren't enough test centres, with people living in a small town directed to travel to another small town, two buses away and a bit far for a coughing person to cycle (or drive safely). It's better than when it was a 50 mile trip to the nearest city but, at worst, surely there should be a test centre near each hub of transport networks? It feels like test centres are sited for operator convenience rather than patient (or staff) ease of access.
mjr
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I meant the lecturer!
It's not but the government made it so. Don't fall for the government blame Apple line everyone told them it would not work. It even failed the NHS own app approval standards. With the app you've two options one , centralised with government or more likely private set up having all the data. Or two decentralised most of the data never leaves the phone 3rd party get's the bit's it need's to know the apple/google option.
The latter is what most other countries have gone for.
Apple for good reason do not allow any app that wants access to buletooth to run in the background. One it's a privacy issue and two it's like having your back door open and looking the other way as someone pockets your car key's. Knowing that something was coming Apple early on with google worked together on software that works and keep's everyone happy. Basically the the government want to control all of it inc the valuable data which it still won't say what it is going with. Germany early on wanted the same full on control but backed down in 24hrs after working out. Maybe Apple and google know best and trying with France to lean. On Apple to back down and let them have open season on users data.
We have a solution that we can have tomorrow which the Swiss and from yesterday Germany are using and it works.
A team at UCL helped the swiss with it months ago. The same team that contacted the government back in April to say your's will not work do you want help. They said it will and no thanks. What's more is it's open source so won't cost a penny.
mjr
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Not only detect when another phone is nearby but also how far away, which is one problem because Bluetooth range estimates are vague, which probably contributed to the French app fail described above. https://altbeacon.github.io/android-beacon-library/distance-calculations.html
Another problem is that scanning Bluetooth and especially transmitting a Bluetooth beacon is relatively power-hungry and phone battery optimisers kill such apps easily, plus some phone security tools don't like Bluetooth being discoverable all the time.
Ever had an app struggle to record an accurate GPS track? This is far far tougher. Even running in the foreground with a notification, it'll get stopped often on many phones. The phone OS methods, which can get higher priority and special service, may be the only way to do it anything like reliably if you want the phone to be usable for other tasks.
Milzy
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Maybe the NHS won't be overwhelmed. Nobody actually knows what will happen. We will find out before too long.
Rocky
Hello decadence
The NHS is normally overwhelmed during the winter with seasonal ‘flu and other winter problems - like old people falling and breaking bones. Adding a bit of Covid on top of that is going to make for a challenging time come Dec, Jan and Feb for the NHS. That is something that can be predicted with 100% certainty.
With the other 100% certainty of no-one willing to take charge of it all.
