Coronavirus outbreak

[Venod]

There has been a few reports of people dying of various things and the doctor putting Covid 19 as the cause of death, when questioned the doctor has said instructions have been given that any deaths at this time have to be recorded as Covid related, the one I have just read, the deceased was never tested.
Some friends of ours had an elderly (96) parent in a care home, one person in the care home died who had covid 19 symptoms, resulting in regular testing of the other occupants.
Our friends mother had severe dementia and started to refuse food, she eventually died, she had always tested negative for covid19, but covid19 was put on the death certificate, when they questioned this they were told the last test was positive, they were convinced that dementia was the cause of death and the doctor confirmed this.
Whats going on here ?

 

[randynewmanscat]

We seem to have completely farking lost it as a country.

Went past a posh country pub today doing "takeaways".

Huge queue. Rammed car park for customers for "takeaways". Rammed beer garden for consuming said "takeaways".

This is nuts. And surely illegal to boot.

I remember the license sign, something about ON THE PREMISES or OFF THE PREMISES.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

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There has been a few reports of people dying of various things and the doctor putting Covid 19 as the cause of death, when questioned the doctor has said instructions have been given that any deaths at this time have to be recorded as Covid related, the one I have just read, the deceased was never tested.
Some friends of ours had an elderly (96) parent in a care home, one person in the care home died who had covid 19 symptoms, resulting in regular testing of the other occupants.
Our friends mother had severe dementia and started to refuse food, she eventually died, she had always tested negative for covid19, but covid19 was put on the death certificate, when they questioned this they were told the last test was positive, they were convinced that dementia was the cause of death and the doctor confirmed this.
Whats going on here ?

Excess deaths above normal are also recorded.

These are *more * than those ascribed to COVID, so it can be concluded than there is net under rather than over reporting.

 

[tom73]

The guy is now so way out of his depth that it's gone passed horrific.

View: https://twitter.com/matthancock/status/1266995931439943683?s=21

 

[Milzy]

A friends daughter went to Blackpool today. They couldn't see the sand due to being rammed with folk. Not good. We popped to Crosby last weekend but it was cold and windy. Pretty empty. Wouldn't entertain it in warm weather.

I went to Filey the other day. Saw about 20 people in 8 hours. You can safely go to the beach if you pick a small coastal town or some wild coast. Much easier to social distance.

 

[mjr]

The mayor of London advises against the government, unsurprisingly

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1266683904469147649?p=v

 

[mjr]

And the finest legal minds are working on the finer details of the latest lockdown law changes
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/GeorgePeretzQC/status/1267162604377706496?p=v

 

[tom73]

The government yesterday said guidelines on the changers to shielding advice would come out latter that day.
The changers are effective from today they only got issued at 10.33pm a whole 87 minutes before they come into force.
GP's and the wider primary health teams have been taken out the loop totally with no word on the matter and no guidance. Today they will be rammed with calls from some of the most vulnerable people the county has. They don't have a clue what to tell them as more things open up it's primary care that will be the key to controlling local outbreaks they can do without this crap on top. The guidelines are even set to expire on 31st June 2020.

No-one said controlling this virus was easy and no government what ever party would have got everything right. But now it's looking like the government have even stopped trying.

 

[Adam4868]

More and more people out here in Blackpool,good weather and it's looking like the lockdown is over.
Yet local NHS staff are reporting a r rate of 1.63 and as many covid patients as when at the peak.What the feck are we doing with the mixed messages of were doing ok ? Maybe regional lockdowns are necessary at the least.

 

[Edwardoka]

Something I just put together

 

[DaveReading]

Yet local NHS staff are reporting a r rate of 1.63

I'd be interested to know how well local NHS staff are placed to calculate R.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yet local NHS staff are reporting a r rate of 1.63

I'd be interested in a link for that?

 

[srw]

I'd be interested to know how well local NHS staff are placed to calculate R.

They're not, any more than anyone is able to forecast future cases by drawing a line on a graph in Paint.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.go...rus-covid-19-real-time-tracking-of-the-virus/

 

[mjr]

They're not, any more than anyone is able to forecast future cases by drawing a line on a graph in Paint.

https://publichealthmatters.blog.go...rus-covid-19-real-time-tracking-of-the-virus/

What do you think of https://epiforecasts.io/covid/posts/national/united-kingdom/ ?

 

[Rocky]

I think the R number has become a bit of a distraction, like many of the other figures put out by government it is useless (also I'd include testing capacity, no of tests, stage 1-5 of the pandemic). Even the official numbers of people testing positive - the test has a positive predictive rate of 70% (30% who have the virus test negative) and of course large numbers with Covid have no test. These figures are essentially meaningless.

What really counts is the number of hospital admissions (and even this can misleading as people are dying at home) and the number of people dying of Covid. I honestly think we, as a country (England), aren't doing well on these.