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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Perhaps we live at opposite ends of the fabled beer glass. :smile:
Maybe. I don't drink-post ;)

I have no problem with recognising the realities of situations,
Maybe post about them.

it's the reflexive 'buts' that irk me - especially those that are politically motivated as displayed so often in the British press. They serve little value in my opinion.
It's hard to discuss the politicians mismanaging the UK response without it being slightly political. They've failed to do as in other countries and let the expert managers manage the response. Like Trump, they all seem to want their TV time.

You can rest assured that I'm not motivated by the British press. I don't read it much any more because it had become far too close to the government apart from a few too close to the opposition. More Irish, Swiss, French, Belgian and German. So the implied insult has little value.
 

Inertia

I feel like I could... TAKE ON THE WORLD!!
While I look critically at what the press writes I am somewhat worried by friends of mine, and others starting to echo what’s going on in America. They have started attacking the press for asking, what they think of as, stupid questions. Im not sure what questions they do want asked though.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Apart from the inevitable inquest a couple of years down track what is the point in looking back right now? I just don't see the point of this constant negative posting tbh.

It's clearly too late. Having 20,000 tests a day in the first days of April was far more useful than quibbling about whether you're at 90,000 or 100,000 tests a day for the final day, which is pretty meaningless outside of a political context. Had the government hit their 10,000 and 25,000 targets when they said I would have been far more impressed than hitting 100,000 by the end of April. Having a smaller 'bigger' capacity earlier than a bigger capacity later is more useful for the present. Sadly the case with Singapore you still need to up it as once you're testing your cases and a third/half of them are coming back positive you've screwed as your capacity is essentially vastly exceeded by those that probably have the virus or ones you'd want to test. It puts us in a good place for wave 2. As long as capacity doesn't get reduced/can be switched on quickly it puts us in a good place for the winter.

Being able to test 50,000 actual people in a single day or 100,000 tests or whatever headline figure a government wants to call it does allow you do to important stuff. So IPSOS Mori is able to mount a robust study about what percentage of the population have it. This is important. Hancock/other organisations army of 18,000 contact tracers is able to have something to work with, although given what's going on locally with that I have very severe doubts about it going on if you're not white or relatively well off. It may turn out that concentrating a proportion of those tests exclusively for care homes would be a wise strategy. It's an economic consideration but having 100,000 a day and a figure to brag about and allow the 'public' to be tested will reassure a percentage of the public about going back to 'normal'. As a political consideration it's a part of one of the five stupidly vague tests. To a certain extent the current testing regime keeps some of our hospital workers and in other health care settings which have easy access a bit safer, although PPE has a massive bearing.

There are rumours of a few tech/logistical innovations on the way in all the different testing regimes. This would be amazing if they can be deployed over the summer.

Aside from the 1,2, 4 and the orange bit of the graphs they produce each day, we haven't the foggiest who is actually being tested. Some had doubts that the government were even keeping postcodes and it was just positive or not.
 
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tom73

Guru
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Yorkshire
Testing now feels very much more a numbers games "look how well we are doing" then doing anything useful with the results or what picture it's building. It's great that the capacity has gone up and clearly a lot of work away from the cameras by many faceless hard working soles.
Which has to be welcomed but the media driven political circus has now just tuned the whole thing into a massive free for all. Which leaves everyone having to be pitched against everyone else. Reports on easy assess to tasing for health workers suggest it's not yet in place.
 
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PeteXXX

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We're I to be tested, and any potential contact tracing performed, they would have a hard job.
I was in Northampton, Kettering, Shefford, Royston, Kettering again, St Ives (Cambs) Wellingborough, Kettering yet again, and home to Northampton.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
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Inside my skull
We're I to be tested, and any potential contact tracing performed, they would have a hard job.
I was in Northampton, Kettering, Shefford, Royston, Kettering again, St Ives (Cambs) Wellingborough, Kettering yet again, and home to Northampton.

But surely you know who you met during those visits? It’s not about people you passed in a few seconds going the opposite way when walking. It’s about the more prolonged contacts.
 
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PeteXXX

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But surely you know who you met during those visits? It’s not about people you passed in a few seconds going the opposite way when walking. It’s about the more prolonged contacts.
I probably had contact of over 10 minutes at most places I visited. Hard to count the numbers of people, though. Maybe 50+ drivers, all going on to different places. Goods in chaps at each place. Office staff at most places.
 

Ming the Merciless

There is no mercy
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I probably had contact of over 10 minutes at most places I visited. Hard to count the numbers of people, though. Maybe 50+ drivers, all going on to different places. Goods in chaps at each place. Office staff at most places.

Those things will be timed so not so hard to trace
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I probably had contact of over 10 minutes at most places I visited. Hard to count the numbers of people, though. Maybe 50+ drivers, all going on to different places. Goods in chaps at each place. Office staff at most places.
And that's why so-called "social spreaders" should be the second group vaccinated after health workers.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Don't know whether anyone has seen this, but apart from the very grim findings early on in the virus's spread about deaths for BAMEs, the ONS have some maps


View: https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1256142234275188740


http://ow.ly/dkeH50ztQMG

The map on the latter goes up to 17th April but is far more robust than the nonsense the government and local news give us.

Edit: There's also a second map that shows deaths on a highly local level. Looking at that map I had a look out of curiousity at an area that doesn't have blitz spirit and dense housing and heard a lot of concerning things from - a large number of deaths 18 compared with 1/2/3 in most other areas (the areas are about a third of the size of wards). I also had a look at the peak district which doesn't keep any detailed information. Quite a number of deaths there by 17th April.
 
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newfhouse

Resolutely on topic
Hancock/other organisations army of 18,000 contact tracers is able to have something to work with, although given what's going on locally with that I have very severe doubts about it going on if you're not white or relatively well off.
Does anyone have any definitive information about this? Who are these tracers, what do they actually do, what resources do they have? Even if 1% of those tested are positive, that’s 1000 a day, every day. That strikes me as a huge amount of work, not to mention a massive IT challenge. I frankly don’t believe we have such a system, but I’d love someone to tell me what does happen.
 
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