randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
Probably less harmful than the bleach solution being sold by the disgusting and truly vile Alex Jones in the USA.
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Ok cool
You can use a simple cloth one plenty of "how to" on youtube a simple buff is fine too. You can find plenty of sites selling cloth ones too.
If you are worried some like justlush make them with a pocket for filters.
Cloth ones are more comfy and you can get some cool ones if what something a bit different.
Also be a lot cheeper we are likely to need them for some time yet.
Well very true sadly one will kill you but the other is likely to kill others.
Some interesting things about this. As you know hospital Trusts vary widely in their finances and the number of staff available to their reporting arm. They generally have a reasonable number in order to manage tariffs and payment by results, but they are fighting to get data out of systems that are usually quite old. - plus the Covid work is extra to the normal workload. The National Programme for IT was so disjointed that only some Trusts remained with their chosen supplier and interoperability was very hit and miss. Some Trusts are now trying to rectify this by purchasing super systems. At the moment however, particularly for acute care, Hospitals are very paper driven and it can take a while to get information into the databases that they are using.
Scotland took a different approach and the Government purchased national contracts so all hospitals / gps / community Trusts use the same software. This makes it much easier to get data out.
Now, even when you have data, you then have to prepare the data and submit to NHS England. They in turn have to collate it, analyse it and report on it to the Government. So there are a number of hurdles to jump over to get daily reporting.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
My occasional neighbour popped down to weed and mow his lawns, unknown to him I had already done it for him. He is a GP with a practice in the western suburbs of Paris and has been doing two days a week on a Covid ward in the Pitié-Salpêtrière hospital. He showed me photos of him and colleagues in their protection and no two were the same, mostly ad hoc and improvised. He uses a Stihl visor just like the ones he and I use when brushcutting, anti-fog, anti-glare lexan, stiff, light and comfortable to wear for hours.
I asked him if it was sweaty working in plastic clothes, what do you think was his reply. He explained that the visors provided were wobbly garbage that fogged up and became unclipped from the headband and the headband was like a saw blade. His colleagues sought their own visors out.
I am too polite to have asked what reason he put on his attestation to travel 170km to relax for two days and cut grass but as he is a docteur he is probably seen as the nearest thing to a living deity at the moment and is invisible to police.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
For some time yet. Depressing but true.Ok cool
You can use a simple cloth one plenty of "how to" on youtube a simple buff is fine too. You can find plenty of sites selling cloth ones too.
If you are worried some like justlush make them with a pocket for filters.
Cloth ones are more comfy and you can get some cool ones if what something a bit different.
Also be a lot cheeper we are likely to need them for some time yet.
I am a dab hand at machine sewing, taught by a patient Mum a lifetime ago so I should crack on with making some home brew ones before the ones I bought run out. The government here say that masks will be available to all and sundry as the confinement is eased, we shall see.
Cool well have a look round plenty of pattens about.
If your having to wear one may as well be comfy and a bit more funky than a clinical one.
At least the government has formaly come out and said sorry for the PPE mess.
Here it's down to everyone else not them old Hancock is even blaming staff for misusing it.
We will never really know how many health care staff have died due to lack of PPE as they are being investigated by HSE.
This week it got even worse as the chief coroner issued institutions that coroners can't rule on if lack of PPE played a part in health care staff deaths.
randynewmanscat
Veteran
- Location
- Vienne, Poitou-Chrentes
I needed my bed last night so missed most of the Newsnight report on why so many Filipino healthcare staff are dying, as I started to nod off on the sofa I heard the phrase "we are at the back of the queue".
The Bürgermeister of Tübingen Boris Palmer (Green party) has got into the headlines by a statement yesterday. He said we are trying to 'save people who would be dead anyway in half a year'. Those over 80 will at some point die.
He has subsequently apologised for his choice of words ('I would never deny them their right to life'), but not for his underlying concern. This is that according to UN reports the economic fallout of the lockdown across the world is going to endanger the lives of millions of children. He did not apologise for referencing that which is objective information. A new strategy is needed where we try to protect the elderly as much as possible but differentiate between this and the young, and bring the economy back into action, and relatively quickly at that.
Needless to say he has received a lot of pushback, but in my opinion this was more emotional than rational. He was accused of denying the human worth and dignity of the elderly, being brutal and a showing pure contempt for his fellow man. Wanting to ration hospital treatment. To my mind that missed the point, so the threat to the lives of children got lost in worrying about a tactless choice of words.
What bothers me about this is that the lockdown, due to unnecessary levels of panic and fear, is starting to take on a life of its own. Are some politicians starting to enjoy the drama of it? It is a means to an end, namely slow down the spread to protect the hospital service, but the damage to the economy and the health consequences of that also need to be taken into account even at the risk of higher infection rates in the developed world.
The debate on this is certainly starting to heat up, and I don't think virologists & Co should necessarily be allowed to overrule every other consideration, some of whom seem to want to keep the lockdown going for as long as possible as following the ideal. They are in nice secure jobs whilst millions of others are haunted by the prospect of their livelihoods disappearing - very far from ideal.
He has subsequently apologised for his choice of words ('I would never deny them their right to life'), but not for his underlying concern. This is that according to UN reports the economic fallout of the lockdown across the world is going to endanger the lives of millions of children. He did not apologise for referencing that which is objective information. A new strategy is needed where we try to protect the elderly as much as possible but differentiate between this and the young, and bring the economy back into action, and relatively quickly at that.
Needless to say he has received a lot of pushback, but in my opinion this was more emotional than rational. He was accused of denying the human worth and dignity of the elderly, being brutal and a showing pure contempt for his fellow man. Wanting to ration hospital treatment. To my mind that missed the point, so the threat to the lives of children got lost in worrying about a tactless choice of words.
What bothers me about this is that the lockdown, due to unnecessary levels of panic and fear, is starting to take on a life of its own. Are some politicians starting to enjoy the drama of it? It is a means to an end, namely slow down the spread to protect the hospital service, but the damage to the economy and the health consequences of that also need to be taken into account even at the risk of higher infection rates in the developed world.
The debate on this is certainly starting to heat up, and I don't think virologists & Co should necessarily be allowed to overrule every other consideration, some of whom seem to want to keep the lockdown going for as long as possible as following the ideal. They are in nice secure jobs whilst millions of others are haunted by the prospect of their livelihoods disappearing - very far from ideal.
roubaixtuesday
self serving virtue signaller
I don't have a source, but I read somewhere that the average loss of life expectancy from COVID deaths is ten years. If true, clearly most people were not going to be dead in half a year anyway.
Second, whilst the death rate in younger people is relatively low, it's still high enough that it's a very significant mortality.
Third, there is no guarantee that less stringent lockdowns will affect the economy less. If we didn't lockdown but instead half a million people died in the UK, you could still expect a massive hit to the economy.
Fourth, it's not clear at all how much difference there is between a relatively soft lock down a la Sweden, and the UK's harder one is. It may not be much.
Fifth, if lockdowns are relaxed so much as to allow a full second wave, you can expect absolute economic chaos.
In summary, it's not as simple as a direct trade off between deaths and the economy. But I agree it is a debate we should be having.
Low Gear Guy
Veteran
- Location
- Surrey
Most of the discussion regarding lifting the lockdown has revolved around getting people back to work. We are at risk of drifting into a situation where work continues but fun and social activities are not permitted.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
122000 tests carried out yesterday. Well done to everyone involved.
