Coronavirus outbreak

[Pale Rider]

Oh that's OK then.

Hang on a minute,

Oh,

Gove said it, the oiliest of an oily bunch. Must be true.

Get a grip.

Gove's remark was a factual observation - that's why I was prepared to reference it.

He said we have purchased ventilators from both non EU and EU countries - which we have.

That remark was true, but he gets it, the bit about the EU buys was made in a loaded fashion.

I know calling Tory ministers liars is casually done around here, but you really ought to establish they are telling lies before you do it, not wrongly assert it afterwards.

Sure it does.

Changing strategy mid way through the response, appealing on TV for ventilator manufacturers, testing 10x less people than Germany (and repeatedly failing promises to change that) are all signs of excellent organisation.

Seemed to me they began by giving some prominence to herd immunity, although it was only ever to be part of the response.

They dropped it in less than a week, so again I wonder what harm was done in those few days when we were (partly) on the wrong track?

Better to accept the tactics needed modifying than to stick doggedly to them.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I wonder what harm was done in those few days when we were (partly) on the wrong track?

Growth has been exponential, with a doubling time of 3-4 days.

Delaying by a week therefore means four times as many deaths at peak.

Four times as many.

That's the harm.

 

[Salty seadog]

I know calling Tory ministers liars is casually done around here, but you really ought to establish they are telling lies before you do it, not wrongly assert it afterwards.

'We missed the email'

likely or not?

This was after it was stated the UK would not be participating as we are no longer in the EU and would take our own action.

Pants on fire.

 

[Inertia]

Time and a place for everything.

The time to spank Johnson's arse is certainly not when he's trying to lead the fight against the virus.

The place to do it is at the ballot box.

This is the time, It’s no good months later Saying ‘ oh yeah we knew you were making a balls up but we didn’t want to upset you’. The gov has to be held to account for it’s actions, now more than ever, literal lives are on the line.

 

[kingrollo]

Aye, nothing like a few thousand deaths to score cheap political points.

Yeah - almost as bad as promising to ramp up the testing - more or less knowing it can't be done.

 

[kingrollo]

The response looks well organised to me.

In such a complicated task, keeping cock ups to a minimum is the best you can hope for.

Did whatever happened with that email knock us back to any great degree?

As Gove said in one of the briefings, we've been buying ventilators all over the place, including from the EU.

There's been some problems with protective clothing, but if the demand for anything spikes significantly there will be shortages.

Our manufacturing companies have proved themselves adept at turning their hand to making stuff they don't usually make.

Examining the alternatives is not whataboutery, it's a valid part of assessing performance and what could be expected.

Chuck Johnson and Hancock in the Thames if you like, but there's no point in doing that unless there is or was something better to put in their place.

The chancellor should also get an honourable mention.

Brilliant job by him and his staff to come up with two huge rescue plans in such short order.

You are obviously going to be satisfied no matter what happens - that s the only feasible conclusion anyone can draw from you're posts.

 

[winjim]

This is the time, It’s no good months later Saying ‘ oh yeah we knew you were making a balls up but we didn’t want to upset you’. The gov has to be held to account for it’s actions, now more than ever, literal lives are on the line.

Here's one of those trying to hold them to account. Just thought she deserves a bit of kudos. A&E doctor and Labour deputy leadership candidate Dr Rosena Allin-Khan. In conversation with health minister Nadine Dorries.


View: https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1245826539960168448?s=19



View: https://twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1245760735898152962?s=19

 

[marinyork]

Source?

Locallyaround the world many health analysts are using ICU or internal make data within hospitals to say that.

The data you are using as evidence of no slow down in germany is deaths which is 1 to 4 weeks out of date as it's a rolling 7 days.

It's you who is wrong in this case, the deaths is only evidence of no slow down 3-4 weeks ago. What evidence do you have of the last week that there has been no slow down of infections in germany?

Source?

 

[MarkF]

Deaths 17, ICU still only 25% full, more middle aged asian men arriving (they won't stop socialising), no increase in sickness in A&E medical staff, no surprise there, they are the best in the hospital.

We'll see.

 

[Pale Rider]

This is the time, It’s no good months later Saying ‘ oh yeah we knew you were making a balls up but we didn’t want to upset you’. The gov has to be held to account for it’s actions, now more than ever, literal lives are on the line.

In what way do you think moaning about Boris and his team now will assist?

Quite the reverse, it's a needless diversion.

We are stuck with what we have, so we want them motivated to do the best job they can.

Plenty of time later to hang them out to dry if that's what you want to do.

 

[Mugshot]

In what way do you think moaning about Boris and his team now will assist?

Quite the reverse, it's a needless diversion.

We are stuck with what we have, so we want them motivated to do the best job they can.

Plenty of time later to hang them out to dry if that's what you want to do.

Just to clarify, does your not holding a government to account philosophy extend further than Tory administrations?

 

[Inertia]

In what way do you think moaning about Boris and his team now will assist?

Quite the reverse, it's a needless diversion.

We are stuck with what we have, so we want them motivated to do the best job they can.

Plenty of time later to hang them out to dry if that's what you want to do.

I’m not moaning. And the purpose is not to hang them out to dry.

 

[winjim]

Settle down, give it an hour or so and we might have a functioning opposition.

 

[Pale Rider]

Just to clarify, does your not holding a government to account philosophy extend further than Tory administrations?

What part of 'right time and place' do you not understand?

Plenty of time later to hang them out to dry if that's what you want to do.

 

[Levo-Lon]

In what way do you think moaning about Boris and his team now will assist?

Quite the reverse, it's a needless diversion.

We are stuck with what we have, so we want them motivated to do the best job they can.

Plenty of time later to hang them out to dry if that's what you want to do.

If Labour were in power it would still be the Tories fault