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Cracking a solo.
Also interesting to hear from Johnson how nurses and teachers are suddenly ‘vital workers’ now....well pay them properly then you Tory daffodil...
Yep, care workers of all levels, shelf stackers, checkout operators, delivery drivers, HGV drivers, not seeing too many hedge fund managers when the shoot hits the fan.
Talking of which what are the super wealthy doing? Bill Gates, or more correctly his foundation, has committed $100m to global detection, isolation and treatment, Gates it worth $100bn, Jack Ma (Alibaba founder) has pledged $14m from his foundation, Ma is worth $39bn, and so on.
 
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Cracking a solo.
Johnson's letter reads like a Sun opinion piece:

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Hugh Manatee

Veteran
I‘m stressed. School closing has hit me hard. I am a person who thrives on structure and routine. Not being able to plan my life makes me anxious. How can I not go to work? I am gutted for my year 11s - a not very academic bunch who were just starting to shape up nicely. I was excited to see how they would do.
My kids (twins) are second year A Level students. All that was thrown into limbo last night! I do hope they don't take the mocks into consideration. I told them not to worry too much about them. No one cares as long as you don't get straight U's. Keep your powder dry I said! Whoops.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
I‘m stressed. School closing has hit me hard. I am a person who thrives on structure and routine. Not being able to plan my life makes me anxious. How can I not go to work? I am gutted for my year 11s - a not very academic bunch who were just starting to shape up nicely. I was excited to see how they would do.

That's an honest and realistic view.

If it's any consolation, many others will feel the same way, although some will be reluctant to admit it.

Acknowledging a problem exists is the first step in dealing with it, so in that respect you are already ahead of the curve.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Also interesting to hear from Johnson how nurses and teachers are suddenly ‘vital workers’ now....well pay them properly then you Tory daffodil...

Judging how much someone else should get is difficult, but I wonder - if you were able to delve into it - if you would find nurses' pay is so bad.

I'm getting to know a few nurses through regular contact and this topic has cropped up a few times.

The general view, particularly among those with a few years in, is the pay is pretty good, or at least they are not inclined to complain about it.

I suspect that's true, once you get a few steps up however their seniority ladder works.

The pension is another consideration.

One of the nurses close to retirement told me she was dumbfounded when she found out how much she was going to get, describing herself as 'very lucky'.

Of course, I told her luck had nothing to do with it, she had worked long and diligently to reach the position she had.

All that is still anecdotal, but it has more veracity about it than those who simply bellow 'pay them more' from a position of very little knowledge.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I‘m stressed. School closing has hit me hard. I am a person who thrives on structure and routine. Not being able to plan my life makes me anxious. How can I not go to work? I am gutted for my year 11s - a not very academic bunch who were just starting to shape up nicely. I was excited to see how they would do.
Your not alone with this structure and routine thing. I don't cope with sudden change either. Know now it's all part of newly discovered autism. Not sure what I will like once this get even worse. I'm trying to find new things to do and to focus on. I've posted up thread about BRC Community reserve volunteers maybe a possible idea. @Brompton Bruce idea of The OU is a good one as both a current student and graduate I know it's not an easy one but gives you structure. Signing up to a full course maybe not right for you. But they have plenty of free stuff on open learn and via future learn. Some of them are aimed at teachers so keeps you busy and top up your PDP at the same time :smile:
 

Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Judging how much someone else should get is difficult, but I wonder - if you were able to delve into it - if you would find nurses' pay is so bad.

I'm getting to know a few nurses through regular contact and this topic has cropped up a few times.

The general view, particularly among those with a few years in, is the pay is pretty good, or at least they are not inclined to complain about it.

I suspect that's true, once you get a few steps up however their seniority ladder works.

The pension is another consideration.

One of the nurses close to retirement told me she was dumbfounded when she found out how much she was going to get, describing herself as 'very lucky'.

Of course, I told her luck had nothing to do with it, she had worked long and diligently to reach the position she had.

All that is still anecdotal, but it has more veracity about it than those who simply bellow 'pay them more' from a position of very little knowledge.
We had a Theatre Nurse round for dinner last night who is having a crash course in ICU as just moved to the front-line, my neighbour is a recently retired Nurse, other friends include a Nurse running a control centre and a another a Paramedic. I also know 2 junior doctors and one senior Radiographer.
Considering the responsibilities, the conditions they have to work in, their importance when the shithitsthefan and the fact that we are short by about a very big number, I'd wager that by most people's metrics they're not paid enough.....
 

Johnno260

Guru
Location
East Sussex
Sainburys in T Wells avoid, que is across the carpark and it's strict 1 in 1 out policy the door is being heavily controlled.

I was glad to see an idiot ejected from a Tesco last night, he had a ridiculous amount of loo roll, when the cashiers system wouldn't allow him to scan it he got abusive, the guy on the door asked him to calm down when he wouldn't he was asked to leave, I'm glad they're taking this approach if it was me I would take it a step further and bar the people being abusive so staff.

MOD mobilized this has made me happy, our military are the best and if I see them around it makes me feel more secure.
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
We had a Theatre Nurse round for dinner last night who is having a crash course in ICU as just moved to the front-line, my neighbour is a recently retired Nurse, other friends include a Nurse running a control centre and a another a Paramedic. I also know 2 junior doctors and one senior Radiographer.
Considering the responsibilities, the conditions they have to work in, their importance when the shithitsthefan and the fact that we are short by about a very big number, I'd wager that by most people's metrics they're not paid enough.....

Blimey, you know more medical folks than I do and you're not ill.

Do they routinely complain about the pay?

I wouldn't seek to read too much into it if they don't, because 'just get on with it and get the job done' is ingrained in their psyche.

But it remains a fact that most people who complain about nurses' pay are outside the industry and have very little knowledge of it.

I also think they find the whole virus thing wryly amusing.

All of a sudden they are getting lots of attention for something they've been doing for years - getting on with their job.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
We had a Theatre Nurse round for dinner last night who is having a crash course in ICU as just moved to the front-line, my neighbour is a recently retired Nurse, other friends include a Nurse running a control centre and a another a Paramedic. I also know 2 junior doctors and one senior Radiographer.
Considering the responsibilities, the conditions they have to work in, their importance when the shithitsthefan and the fact that we are short by about a very big number, I'd wager that by most people's metrics they're not paid enough.....

I think the wages for general ward nurses are appropriate and they get a hefty increase by moving into ICU. I earn the same as a ward health care worker and think I am overpaid and they are very much underpaid. But those with day to day responsibility for lives, Doctors & Radiographers, making crucial decisons, not only for the patient but for their careers, are very much underpaid, I used to earn a lot more fitting flat roofs......
 
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