Coronavirus outbreak

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RecordAceFromNew

Swinging Member
Location
West London
NHS staff should definitely be tested. Backed up by comments of Witty and Valance.

The problem is the pontifications of PHE media people and senior PHE staff and politicians on their behalf. They have said earlier today it's ramping up to 25,000 tests per day. I don't see why anyone should trust them. They said this before grandly pronouncing it'd be 10,000 tests per day and the reality lagged severely behind the announcements. There are probably good reasons for the lag.

We clearly aren't being told the whole truth regarding testing.

Official figures today says "As of 9am on 17 March 2020, 50,442 people have been tested in the UK, of which 48,492 were confirmed negative and 1,950 were confirmed as positive."

Those numbers couldn't possibly correlate with 10,000 tests a day, let alone 25,000, because 29,764 tests were already conducted by 12th/13th March.

According to industrial sources, the government was not taking delivery of available test kits from suppliers. Then
"on March 11, NHS England said it intended to greatly expand testing capacity for Covid-19 – up to 10,000 tests per day. But the following day, the chief medical officer for England Chris Witty said at a Number 10 press conference: “We will pivot all of the testing capacity to identifying people in hospitals who have symptoms.” Some healthcare experts take this to mean that the 10,000-tests-per-day target is now irrelevant and that only a subset of cases, the most severe, will be identified. "

Given it is clear and the CMO/CSA admitted that they have been given the freedom to guide based on "science", the fundamental roadmap was determined by them to tackle this deadly outbreak, but it has been nothing but shambolic. As the editor of the Lancet wrote today:

"Indeed, it didn’t need this week’s predictions by Imperial College scientists to estimate the impact of the government’s complacent approach. Any numerate school student could make the calculation. With a mortality of 1% among 60% of a population of some 66 million people, the UK could expect almost 400,000 deaths. The huge wave of critically ill patients that would result from this strategy would quickly overwhelm the NHS.

The UK’s best scientists have known since that first report from China that Covid-19 was a lethal illness. Yet they did too little, too late.
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Somehow there was a collective failure among politicians and perhaps even government experts to recognise the signals that Chinese and Italian scientists were sending. We had the opportunity and the time to learn from the experience of other countries. For reasons that are not entirely clear, the UK missed those signals. We missed those opportunities.
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There will be deaths that were preventable. The system failed. I don’t know why. But, when we have suppressed this epidemic, when life returns to some semblance of normality, difficult questions will have to be asked and answered. Because we can’t afford to fail again. We may not have a second chance."
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Please point me to the corrections people have given me, because I have had no alerts.
Still demanding I do your work? Go read replies yourself!

Here's the first one for you: https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/coronavirus-outbreak.256913/post-5916268
 

Venod

Eh up
Location
Yorkshire
Still demanding I do your work?

I had not read all the posts in this thread nor have any intention to do so, as you can see I wasn't tagged in that post, you're becoming a bit annoying, if you don't want to read my posts put me on ignore, I will say again I gave a warning in my posts that facts hadn't been checked its good to see someone decided to look things up using their own initiative instead of telling people what not to post.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
The UK’s best scientists have known since that first report from China that Covid-19 was a lethal illness. Yet they did too little, too late.
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Somehow there was a collective failure among politicians and perhaps even government experts to recognise the signals that Chinese and Italian scientists were sending. We had the opportunity and the time to learn from the experience of other countries. For reasons that are not entirely clear, the UK missed those signals. We missed those opportunities.
It's not just the ''worst'' cases that we should be heeding. Why does Germany have 11,973 identified cases and 28 dead when the UK has only 2,626 but 104 dead? That's comparing a mortality* rate of under 0.3% with almost 4%. They're clearly doing something far better than we are. And we should be learning from there.

*It's only a mortality rate for identified cases. Identify more, i.e test, test, test and the mortality rate will fall because more will be identified.
 

slowmotion

Quite dreadful
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Milzy

Guru
I spoke with the school, their impression which makes sense, is they will take stock of key workers in the local area, and a hub school would be implemented, this is all what they think it's not information that has been passed down but it makes sense.

Also makes sense as some key workers will end up pulling more shifts as other staff become ill or have to isolate.

On the shop front Tesco was re-stocked this evening but many shelves emptied fast, clear signs advising no more than 2 of any item, the guy with 8 packets or loo roll was told at the till sorry but these are the rules, when he kicked off he was asked to leave and the store guard frog marched him to the exit, glad to see this no nonsense approach to verbal abuse and lack of common courtesy.
Will key workers children under the age of 5 still be taken? Only asking because school isn't legally required untill 5. Many in foundation class are still 4.
 

pawl

Legendary Member
Try and find some supermarket own brand kids paracetamol, it's the same as calpol, finding it could be an issue, I have had some luck getting things from the smaller pharmacy away from the supermarkets.

Best of luck it's nuts out there, people have lost all sense of reason.

Edit: failing that call a pharmacy and ask for alternatives they are usually helpful, other suggestion could be a hospital with an in house pharmacy.


Have you tried Wilcos
 

pawl

Legendary Member
The entire panic buying is beyond a joke, I bet the food waste from idiots taking what they can't consume will be horrific.

If they need to use police resources to control sub human trash from doing this it will be crazy, I would say mobilize the army to make sure people behave, obviously some need to be treated like kids.
Very few people think in terms of do I need multiple items rather do I really need all the extra items.0
 

pawl

Legendary Member
Plus everytime a letter comes through your letterbox that could be the coronavirus coming in to your house.
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Flipping heck that’s a real comfort p
Not that I'm panic buying but how much will it cost to get you to post me a 48 roll pack of bog roll. It must be at at least triple ply cushioned stuff. Standards must be maintained.


Member of the aristocracy.Bet you have a solid gold monogrammed toilet roll holder.

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