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Sigh...

This virus has some unique problems.

. And without testing, how will they know to self isolate, or that they've acquired resistance and can now mingle with more vulnerable people without fear of giving them what can be a very nasty illness.

The second bit of your sentence is what I personally am interested in - would like to get it then know that I have had it so that I can help my elderly mum out with stuff.

All I can think of doing is to stay away from her and basically stay inside for 14 days before travelling to her.

And is always possible of course that I have already had it.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
Right, I'll go find a manager and ask why we are not being tested.
I can give you the answer, don't trouble the manager. It's because PHE/NHSE said that they shouldn't be. Why? Because there was (till today) a lack of tests kits.
 

tom73

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
There is no evidence that he has actually got it , only symptoms at present, I sincerely hope you are right, he has locked himself down as they say, as @BromptonBruce stated it can see all and sundry off, I am particularly worried about him, two days after his 1st birthday he was admitted into the Mater Hospital in Brisbane where he spent the next three months of his very fragile life, ok he got over it all , but I’m having a problem getting my head around this lot now , I’ve just dropped a big bag of his favourite fruits and stuff, all will be fine for him , but I wish if was me and not him,

Small world Mater Hospital is where Mrs 73 did a self directed placement when she was training. The staff really looked after her the cardigan they gave her she still wears on nights. They even offered her a job before she's even qualified. One patient she looked after was an old nun when she told her where she came from the nun started to throw holy water all over her.:laugh:
 

Pale Rider

Legendary Member
Here's an interesting one @Pale Rider and all you legal aficionados:


View: https://twitter.com/charlburybaggie/status/1240241479513235456?s=20


A defence lawyer appears to be going down with Covid19 and has been threatened with legal expenses by the judge if he doesn't turn up. The replies on twitter fit in two groups (i) barristers saying they'll appeal the fine pro bono (ii) people advising him to go to court and sneeze on the judge......


It's a district judge which tells us the case is being heard in a magistrates' court.

In that court there is strong guidance to district judges/magistrates to avoid adjourning cases almost at all costs.

If a defence solicitor cannot get to a hearing, through illness or any other reason, he would be expected to provide cover.

That would usually be by another solicitor from his firm, but if none is available he would be expected to pass the case on to another firm, even though that loses him the income from it.

The defence solicitor in this case will know all that, and the DJ will know he knows.

Magistrates' courts are also even more of a closed shop than crown courts.

Everybody knows everybody else, often for many years.

Each judge and lawyer will acquire a reputation.

The judge in this case does look to have been a bit sharp, but it may be the defence solicitor is known to be a stroke puller, or known to be a bit casual when meeting his procedural obligations.

Another point is the district judge in any magistrates' court is the most senior legal figure on the bench, and the only one with legal training.

This gives him an unofficial leadership role which tends to make him more of a stickler for correct procedure than the lay magistrates, who are often too frightened of their own shadows to keep the defence - and prosecution - lawyers in line.
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
It's a district judge which tells us the case is being heard in a magistrates' court.

In that court there is strong guidance to district judges/magistrates to avoid adjourning cases almost at all costs.

If a defence solicitor cannot get to a hearing, through illness or any other reason, he would be expected to provide cover.

That would usually be by another solicitor from his firm, but if none is available he would be expected to pass the case on to another firm, even though that loses him the income from it.

The defence solicitor in this case will know all that, and the DJ will know he knows.

Magistrates' courts are also even more of a closed shop than crown courts.

Everybody knows everybody else, often for many years.

Each judge and lawyer will acquire a reputation.

The judge in this case does look to have been a bit sharp, but it may be the defence solicitor is known to be a stroke puller, or known to be a bit casual when meeting his procedural obligations.

Another point is the district judge in any magistrates' court is the most senior legal figure on the bench, and the only one with legal training.

This gives him an unofficial leadership role which tends to make him more of a stickler for correct procedure than the lay magistrates, who are often too frightened of their own shadows to keep the defence - and prosecution - lawyers in line.
Thanks, PR!! That's really insightful. There was clearly a lot going on that wasn't reported.
 
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London
There is no antibody test yet available to answer that question. Only test for active disease.
yes I know that from a previous helpful answer (maybe one from you) - i was thinking ahead - seem to remember reading that an antibody test might be available sooner rather than later. Not a vaccine - an antibody test.
 
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ozboz

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Sainsbury’s in Richmond u Thames about 2 hours ago
 

tom73

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Location
Yorkshire
Anyone who doubts (i) the seriousness of this (ii) the dangers to health care staff (iii) what needs to be done, please read this tweet from Rachel Clarke


View: https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1239654325955289089?s=20


For most People they are pointless but they still went out buying them up which has not help either. Maybe they can give a few back saying that they most likely are the same bunch sat on multi packs of bog roll. :sad:
 

Rocky

Hello decadence
yes I know that from a previous helpful answer (maybe one from you) - i was thinking ahead - seem to remember reading that an antibody test might be available sooner rarher than later. Not a vaccine - an antibody test.
I'm pretty sure there will be an antibody test soon. You've hit the nail on the head about the uncertainty here. It's not always obvious when someone has the infection, they might be exhibiting very mild symptoms, but still be infectious. How do we know if we've had it and recovered? I've had some of the Covid symptoms but I think it was just a winter cold. It is really difficult particularly if we have vulnerable loved ones and friends that need our support.
 
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Sainsbury’s in Richmond u Thames about 2 hours ago

Cripes - I was hoping it would get better - just where the hell are they putting all this?

I did ask the guy in my local Lidl on my failed bikerun on Saturday evening about the idea that the problem would sort itself out but he didn't sound that optimistic.
 
And that package announced by the chancellor applies to all small businesses ....... not just mine .... so all of the thousands and thousands of SME's should be able to fight back against this situation ..... You need to take a lay down ...... not all of us will succeed, but we have a fighting chance ..

So all of the SMEs are hit in the same way, no matter what their business is?

I don't know what your business is, but you again seem to be saying that if the measures help your business survive they they will do the same for every other business.

Some businesses will obviously fare better than others depending on the service they provide, but it is easy to see how e.g. many shops, pubs, restaurants, small hotels, travel agents, whose takings have plummeted and will continue to do so for many months, might be forced to close, and/or lay off staff, even if temporarily. Expenditure will be cut back while the uncertainty and coronavirus-related layoffs continue and, as I said before, good luck to you if your business will be shielded by the government measures, which I welcome, but you cannot speak for all, or even the majority, of SMEs.
 
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Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Hmm. The grandkids have developed coughs and temperatures so my step-son has been out trying to get Calpol. A lot of the pharmacies have closed and the two he has found have queues of over a 100 yds long. Supermarkets don't have any either.
 
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