mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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I blame the second graph for you not realising the first graph includes spending on R&D, Public Health England and more, besides the NHS.
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kingrollo
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What's that got to do with it?
Spending has either gone up, gone down, or remained static.
Seems clear spending has gone up, although I take @mjr's point about other health related spending being included in the graph.
That's not so much of a problem if each year has been calculated in the same manner.
One thing it does prove is judging annual government spending on anything is difficult because figures don't always show what they appear to show.
Randomnerd
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Leaked document says the virus will be around for good. Eight in ten will contract. Seems BoJo knew this when he last stood up and flapped his gums.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-see-79m-hospitalised?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
deptfordmarmoset
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Assess, FFS
kingrollo
Guru
Because if the cost of drugs rises by 20% - then you need to spend 20% more to purchase the same amount of drugs.
glasgowcyclist
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A couple of questions.
Where is the line on the graphs that indicates what they need compared to what they’re getting?
Will the annual NHS spending jump by the £18.2 billion that was on the side of that famous bus?
Smokin Joe
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One ray of hope in all the doom and gloom is that mankind and all it's experts has proved time and time again it is notoriously bad at predicting the future.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Public Health England began operating on 1 April 2013, so no.
The important piece as well is spend per head of population which until 2020 was decreasing.
Also medical inflation is generally higher than CPI.
Pale Rider
Legendary Member
What the increased spending will buy is an entirely separate point.
It's likely the cost of some treatments will have declined in that period due to advances in medical science, and some treatments may have increased in cost for the same reason.
Equally, some conditions might now be treated on the NHS, at whatever cost, that were previously not, due to those same advances and/or a change in policy.
Fair enough, so the graph may be out of whack for the last seven years.
To be fair to those that compiled it, it is labelled as overall UK healthcare spending
Proto
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This has possibly been posted before, but a clear and considered critique of government policy. Might be worth getting some of your more hysterical contacts to read it.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1238518371651649538.html
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mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
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Indeed, but is the cost of part of the Dept of Health really healthcare spending rather than cost of government?
At best, it doesn't show NHS funding like it was being misused for.
DCLane
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Which wouldn't surprise me and would explain why they're wanting this herd immunity approach. Given China/Hong Kong's alternative that puts them as having a resurgence.
Basically we're all expected to get ill over time, except those who are old/vulnerable who will be hidden away until a vaccine's ready. Which may be significantly longer than the 4-month period they've been quoting.
