Coronavirus outbreak

[classic33]

Going slightly off topic. But an issue with pubs reopening. In order to get the maximum seating possible, some are using their service areas. This has resulted in bins being placed on public footpaths. An additional problem being the rats they're attracting.

To the right, at the end of the path there's three food outlets, all with outdoor seating. All share the same service area as the pub, but can't use it.

There's often as many as 15 bins lined up along that wall, all with food waste.

I was all for what the people cleaning the service area did. Power washing it down, in the rain. Now not so much.

 

[Deleted User]

Surely before restrictions as pubs can have as many as they like in now. ( in keeping with previous laws on overcrowding obviously) need to put that bit in as I'm sure someone will come up with the regs regarding numbers. @mjr

 

[Milzy]

Self-preservation instinct in the face of a virus that has reportedly killed over 4 million, perhaps.

It hasn’t killed over 4 million. Get a grip.

 

[PK99]

It hasn’t killed over 4 million. Get a grip.

World wide it has - and likely an undercount

 

[Deleted User]

Can go to Bradford,

That's a godsend in itself.

 

[Ajax Bay]

If our hospital admission continues to rise at the same rate a quick calculation suggests that about 11th August out Trust stops having hospitals and starts having a COVID treatment service.

I appreciate the NW is not a middle of the road in cases per million and beds per million. However I note that admissions have been going up about 30 a day (UK) on average, over the last 20 days. We can expect them to continue to rise for 9 days after the daily cases peak.
Occupancy of beds (COVID-19 positive patients) in NHS England hospitals has gone up steadily about 125 a day for the last fortnight: latest data is for 19 Jul: 3813. This is about 3.3% of England's beds and each day an additional 0.11% of beds will be so occupied if the rate established over the last fortnight continues. The rate will assuredly rise: assume it trebles: 22 days to get to 10% of total beds (11 Aug).
Occupancy peak has been modelled to be as late as September: that'd be another 10% of beds thus occupied (20% total).
I don't know if those figures tie in with your 'quick calculation' (not sure what you mean by "at the same rate" - same as what) and don't know when you consider the hospital > COVID Treatment Centre transition occurs.
If you mean same rate as the increase per week @roubaixtuesday quoted for cases (up 41% in 7 days), then the case to hospitalisation conversion rate is lower the younger you go, so perhaps the actual trends will be less dramatic.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Self-preservation instinct in the face of a virus that has reportedly killed over 4 million, perhaps.

Except it goes beyond the self and the ego, it stretches to other people. And it's never been about ''personal responsibility'' alone.

I have a frail elderly mother, we're both double-jabbed, but I'm aware that as background infection rates increase, the chances of catching and/or carrying the virus to her also increase. My assessment is that she would not survive the illness.

So I have to temper my behaviour, not for myself but for another person. This means staying away from people as much as possible on ''Freedom Day.'' It means wearing a mask around her even if she doesn't. It means keeping as much distance away from those with 11 plus morality who think that not wearing a mask to protect others is ok. Because their thinking hasn't gone beyond self and ego and they consider themselves entitled to put others' safety at risk.

 

[midlife]

Our hospital was a new build some 20 years ago with the idea that day stay coupled with hot bedding meant way fewer beds than the old hospital with reduced bed numbers over the years as the Trust built up a multi million pound deficit.

Thus we have a small number of actual beds for the population and is quick to get clogged up. We transferred a lot of patients to other hospitals in the last waves.

 

[classic33]

Our hospital was a new build some 20 years ago with the idea that day stay coupled with hot bedding meant way fewer beds than the old hospital with reduced bed numbers over the years as the Trust built up a multi million pound deficit.

Thus we have a small number of actual beds for the population and is quick to get clogged up. We transferred a lot of patients to other hospitals in the last waves.

Seems to be the same locally.
Where do they get sent when the current receiving hospitals are full?

 

[Ajax Bay]

Deaths in England and Wales (data to 25 Jun, zig-zags are public holiday caused, with the late May one being week number consistent).
Since the last wave tailed off in March, less people have died than in an average year (Mar-Jun).

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-florence-nightingales-daigrams-for-deaths/

 

[alicat]

Not just pubs, I regularly go to Football, classic car shows, classic motorbike shows, concerts, VW shows, restaurants etc so there have been many varied restrictions and everyone I know is of the same opinion [emphasis added].

Maybe the people who are less gungho won't be at those events and/or the people you are mixing with are repeating back to you what they think you want to hear rather than what they really think in an 'anythingforaquietlifekindofway'.

 

[midlife]

Seems to be the same locally.
Where do they get sent when the current receiving hospitals are full?

Technically we never actually got full enough to stop admissions. Transfers went to larger conurbations iirc, Lancaster, Preston, Newcastle.

Our site has just opened a new cancer centre, not enough staff here to run it so being run by Newcastle with staff using the A69 as a corridor. As @Ajax Bay says we are a bit of an outlier

 

[classic33]

Technically we never actually got full enough to stop admissions. Transfers went to larger conurbations iirc, Lancaster, Preston, Newcastle.

Our site has just opened a new cancer centre, not enough staff here to run it so being run by Newcastle with staff using the A69 as a corridor. As @Ajax Bay says we are a bit of an outlier

Bradford Royal Infirmary were sending them to St. Jame's, Leeds. As were Calderdale Royal.

When they, St. Jame's, are full what then. The situation has to be repeated over the country, not isolated areas.

 

[midlife]

Bradford Royal Infirmary were sending them to St. Jame's, Leeds. As were Calderdale Royal.

When they, St. Jame's, are full what then. The situation has to be repeated over the country, not isolated areas.

In theory there are enough beds covered in blankets that can accommodate the percentage of covid patients that require admission at high levels of community infection. Maybe just in the wrong place at times?

 

[Deleted User]

Maybe the people who are less gungho won't be at those events and/or the people you are mixing with are repeating back to you what they think you want to hear rather than what they really think in an 'anythingforaquietlifekindofway'.

Why would they?

If you think getting back to normal is gung-ho then that's up to you, the 12 other season ticket holders I know have all renewed so looks like they're as gung-ho as me!

My VW pals are all going to the upcoming shows so I guess the people I know are as gung-ho as me?

I doubt anyone panders to my opinion.

Oh well, each to their own.