Slick
Guru
Probably hopeful at best.And you still have a functioning liver?!
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Slick
Guru
That is a bit rubbish if not entirely unexpected. I reckon it's going to be a long couple of months.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
The following week year 11 and year 13 are back in person so not too bad. Also teaching staff not expected to be involved in testing students so that’s a relief. School is struggling to set the testing regime up for the first week as the training materials on how to run and administer the whole thing were only released yesterday. Tests have not arrived in school yet - expected Monday.That is a bit rubbish if not entirely unexpected. I reckon it's going to be a long couple of months.
Favourite tweet I saw yesterday.
“Anyone who thinks that secondary school pupils can swab themselves has never asked them to glue in a worksheet”
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
The rules don't specify that. See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/schedule/3A/part/1
The advice says to exercise near home and at most not leave your borough/district, but it is not a rule. Yet again, the police have one hand tied behind their back and the spreaders know it.
Yes I sympathise. We have the same issue with Lancaster being much lower than south Lancashire. But in some ways I find it easier when virtually everywhere (except N Yorkshire and Cornwall) are in the same tier.
Julia9054
Guru
- Location
- Knaresborough
N Yorks are in tier 3. Same as most of the rest of Yorkshire
RoadRider400
Some bloke that likes cycling alone
I think public behaviour has changed throughout the year. Back in February and March little was known about the virus and I observed the vast majority of people were obeying the rules stringently. As more became known about the virus people have got somewhat lax around the rules, and I expect this is because people now realise the virus isnt going to kill a particulary high percentage of the population.
Now before anybody goes off on one, I am not saying that this is acceptable and we should still all be doing everything we can to stop the spread. However I do believe that if this was something like Ebola with a 50% mortality rate, I bet the general populus would be a lot more rigorous with adhering to what the government are telling us.
All people are doing is adapting to the information they are presented with. Yes for the most part its selfish, but it does not mean we are incapable of dealing with something more lethal.
Granted there would still be the odd fool, but if they caught it and popped their clogs then well thats simply evolution.
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Yet again, we are not an authoritarian society and police by consent rather than political dictat plus paramilitary policing and therefore have neither the tools to control, nor success in controlling, the spread of the virus as do some more authoritarian societies.
Would we as a society have accepted authoritarian control as the price of controlling the virus?
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
I was just quoting this @mjr
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/tier-4-stay-at-home#travel
Travel
Travelling within a Tier 4 area
If you live in a Tier 4 area, you must not leave your home unless you have a reasonable excuse (for example, for work or education purposes). If you need to travel you should stay local – meaning avoiding travelling outside of your village, town or the part of a city where you live – and look to reduce the number of journeys you make overall. The list of reasons you can leave your home and area include, but are not limited to:
work, where you cannot work from home
accessing education and for caring responsibilities
visiting those in your support bubble – or your childcare bubble for childcare
visiting hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health
buying goods or services from premises that are open in Tier 4 areas, including essential retail, but these should be within your local area wherever possible
outdoor recreation or exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your Tier 4 area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
attending the care and exercise of an animal, or veterinary services
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I'm wondering if the discrepancy is because the rules update you have shown is only up to 26 December?
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@Julia9054 sorry yes that was what I meant, almost all of England is in tier 4 now with the exception of most of Yorkshire, Cornwall and a few others which are tier 3. Being near the boundary of Lancashire, Yorkshire and Cumbria it Is tricky when these big counties are in different Tiers.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
gov.uk could still enable policing by consent without complete blithering inconsistency and unnecessary confusion between the advice and the rules, unless you think accurate public information is only done by countries that have paramilitary police!
Yep, that is mostly advice not rules and does not accurately summarise the rules.
The discrepency is nothing to do with dates after 26 Dec because that rule wasn't materially changed by anything in yesterday's change https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1654/regulation/2/made
gbb
Squire
- Location
- Peterborough
Actually, I suspect you're right...
Slick
Guru
A friend was telling me of his experiences when he was tested which I won't bore you with but I'm not convinced I'd be able to do that to myself let alone a secondary school pupil.
Also, the inevitable call came to me today, get in touch with all the learners due to return on the 5th and cancel them.
I am sad, but if I'm honest it's a but if a relief.
midlife
Guru
A friend was telling me of his experiences when he was tested which I won't bore you with but I'm not convinced I'd be able to do that to myself let alone a secondary school pupil.
Also, the inevitable call came to me today, get in touch with all the learners due to return on the 5th and cancel them.
I am sad, but if I'm honest it's a but if a relief.
My Innova lateral flow test uses a small swab 15 mm into each nostril for 10 rotations. Not the swab required for PCR which is right back in the throat.
Most difficult bit is dispensing the 6 drops of extraction fluid. I use a clothes peg to keep the little plastic vial upright.
Main problem is the false negatives which has been mentioned upthread.
raleighnut
Legendary Member
- Location
- One of the 'Elite'
Yep, just about I think, although it has taken a battering over the festivities.
Pretty much off the Spirits these days although the odd cheeky G&T or a Cocktail (Maz bought a proper Cocktail Shaker a couple of months ago) is often taken as an apperitif at the weekends (I don't drink at all from Monday to Friday evening)
