Coronavirus outbreak

[fossyant]

The reason I asked is a friend of mine who is 72 and had a heart bypass operation, is planning to catch the train from Birmingham Moor Street to visit relatives in London over Christmas.

I messaged him to say London was tier 4 from midnight which may bugger up his plans and he replied he plans to go anyway as he uses a friend as support bubble. I was surprised he is still going and consider it dangerous and irresponsible, but thought if their are no trains to the capital from midnight, he cannot go anyway.

Support bubble in London, that's taking the wee wee. He's not supposed to travel into London from tonight. Idiots like him will bring it back up North again, and were doing well to reduce infections

 

[fossyant]

Sorry I was not clear, I think he is planning to go down on the 23rd return on the 27th.

He can't go.

 

[Deleted User]

Four days ago, the government forced London schools to stay open under legal threat.

Today, they're imposing an effective lock down.

I know all this is mental but does anyone really think whatever party was in Power there would have been an answer?

They're all really on a loser, has any country got it right?

I know the main posters on here are labour/lefty whatever you prefer to be called, but come on, WTF would any of you do better?

 

[marinyork]

Sorry I was not clear, I think he is planning to go down on the 23rd return on the 27th.

I would imagine things may be pretty chaotic going on sudden previous changes (and I'm not just talking about this country).

I'd leave him a day or two to absorb what's going on and then try the persuasion tack again.

 

[VelvetUnderpants]

Support bubble in London, that's taking the wee wee. He's not supposed to travel into London from tonight. Idiots like him will bring it back up North again, and were doing well to reduce infections

I despair with attitudes such as his and considering he has had major heart surgery you would think he would know better. Then again he did vote Brexit and has moaned all long about resrictions. He was planning to go and stay with his son in York until his son said no, considering it to dangerous.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I know all this is mental but does anyone really think whatever party was in Power there would have been an answer?

They're all really on a loser, has any country got it right?

I know the main posters on here are labour/lefty whatever you prefer to be called, but come on, WTF would any of you do better?

Nothing to do with lefty. This lot have again, again and once again:

1. Been slow to respond.

2. Made false promises of recovery.

3. Eased restrictions too fast.

4. Relied on an entirely false notion of compromise between virus suppression and the economy.

5. Ended up with more dead, harsher and longer restrictions and more economic damage as a result.

Same again today, yet again.

We have nearly the worst death toll *and* nearly the worst economic hit in the entire developed world. It's not bad luck. It's been an endless and total clusterfark from the word go.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

I know all this is mental but does anyone really think whatever party was in Power there would have been an answer?

They're all really on a loser, has any country got it right?

I know the main posters on here are labour/lefty whatever you prefer to be called, but come on, WTF would any of you do better?

Dan Thorpe of Greenwich council got it right at the beginning of the week. And he got threatened with legal action. Starmer was right at Wednesday's PMQs and he was mocked by Johnson. There's two people who got it right.

 

[Deleted User]

Whatever you say mate, Germany was the 'go to' approach for a while, went into lock down sooner blah.blah, are they any better off really?

Makes no odds to me but all I know is I've been of working age since 1981 and voting age since '83 and I can honestly say that whoever was 'in charge' I've never seen a difference.

I suppose the fact I've always had a job, never relied on benefits and only lived in council accommodation for a few years in all that time may have a bearing, I don't know.

 

[Gunk]

I know all this is mental but does anyone really think whatever party was in Power there would have been an answer?

The problem with Tories are the Covid deniers who believe in no restrictions and herd immunity, there are some first class nutters in the Conservative party, unfortunately they seem to have Johnson’s ear.

 

[Gunk]

Makes no odds to me but all I know is I've been of working age since 1981 and voting age since '83 and I can honestly say that whoever was 'in charge' I've never seen a difference.

I’m the same age as you and I can remember 3 million unemployed under the tories. It was tough back in 1982 trying to get a job.

Blair was far from perfect but he made a much better job of running the country than the tories. At least he believed in society.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

are they any better off really?

Yes. Three times less have died per capita.

Three times less.

That would be about 50,000 people saved here.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

And yet again, they've acted faster than us.

 

[Deleted User]

I’m the same age as you and I can remember 3 million unemployed under the tories. It was tough back in 1982 trying to get a job.

Blair was far from perfect but he made a much better job of running the country than the tories. At least he believed in society.

Absolutely understand, and remember, but personally I wasn't affected so didn't really take much notice.

Started my apprenticeship in '82 so never felt the 'slump', did my time and carried on in the industry (building trade) through to 1994 when I was lucky enough to get into telecoms which is where I've been ever since.

Bought and sold a couple of houses, had 2 kids, paid the mortgage off and now counting down the yrs to retirement.

Missus was a nurse for 30 odd yrs and retired at 55.

I know I'm lucky but loads I know are exactly the same, sorry.

 

[marinyork]

And yet again, they've acted faster than us.

And more completely by geography, with some german measures seeming harsher and others not. Always hard to compare.

I don't get the tier4/2 border thing that will spring into existence after midnight. Some of the numbers in what will be tier 2 bordering tier 4 areas are very high AND next to tier 4 areas.

 

[Gunk]

Absolutely understand, and remember, but personally I wasn't affected so didn't really take much notice.

Started my apprenticeship in '82 so never felt the 'slump', did my time and carried on in the industry (building trade) through to 1994 when I was lucky enough to get into telecoms which is where I've been ever since.

Bought and sold a couple of houses, had 2 kids, paid the mortgage off and now counting down the yrs to retirement.

Missus was a nurse for 30 odd yrs and retired at 55.

I know I'm lucky but loads I know are exactly the same, sorry.

I didn’t ask how successful you’ve been but thanks for sharing it

 

[Adam4868]

Absolutely understand, and remember, but personally I wasn't affected so didn't really take much notice.

Started my apprenticeship in '82 so never felt the 'slump', did my time and carried on in the industry (building trade) through to 1994 when I was lucky enough to get into telecoms which is where I've been ever since.

Bought and sold a couple of houses, had 2 kids, paid the mortgage off and now counting down the yrs to retirement.

Missus was a nurse for 30 odd yrs and retired at 55.

I know I'm lucky but loads I know are exactly the same, sorry.

So you've done ok and not noticed a large chunk of the population struggling under austerity.....how nice.