Coronavirus outbreak

[Jenkins]

I've just found out that none of you are allowed to leave England unless it is for work or education.
Hows that going to work and who is going to enforce it?
At the ferry terminal. "I'm off to do the electrics on my mates gaff in Malaga, what of it"?
"Have you got a copy of your contract or invoices sir"?
"Do what mate"?
They don't trust you to go directly home and isolate on your return do they?
How things have changed since the summer when they were ginning people up to hit the pubs.

Actually, it is possible to leave England, but only under limited circumstances

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490

 

[randynewmanscat]

Actually, it is possible to leave England, but only under limited circumstances

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490

Still they don't trust the people. After encouraging the populace to circulate and declare Super Saturday they are now fumbling for the stable door.
Its not so different here, summer came and Macron declared holiday time, November and Paris is a ghost town after 8. I'm still allowed to leave the country though and without a reason.

 

[tom73]

How they planning on giving it at that temperature?
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Edited to add,
The next post on here, will be the 15,000th.

Normal things like that the MHRA would only approve it for Hospital use only. The new regs for this vaccine look to get round that.
It's likely that it can be used at higher temperature but not let unused for too long above it. A number of drugs already have to be kept in fridge. Flu vaccine for example can only last so long out of the fridge.

 

[mjr]

Ireland reportedly aiming for R=0.5 before lifting restrictions. https://www.thejournal.ie/two-weeks...a-shows-weve-turned-a-corner-5253565-Nov2020/

Also an interesting ECDC summary graph:

Germany as a lone holdout on the mainland, surrounded by floods of cases.

 

[matticus]

They don't trust you to go directly home and isolate on your return do they?

yes they do (I find it bizarre that they don't even do random checks)

How things have changed since the summer when they were ginning people up to hit the pubs.

It goes up, down, then up again. Hence the word "wave", I guess!

 

[Dave Davenport]

I see M&S are taking the (St.) Michael by keeping their entire stores open, even though the 'food hall' parts could easily be separated, doesn't seem very fair on the retailers that have had to shut in the run up to Christmas, similar with the likes of Asda selling clothes & electricals etc. and garden centres that are more like department stores.

 

[vickster]

I see M&S are taking the (St.) Michael by keeping their entire stores open, even though the 'food hall' parts could easily be separated, doesn't seem very fair on the retailers that have had to shut in the run up to Christmas, similar with the likes of Asda selling clothes & electricals etc. and garden centres that are more like department stores.

Shops are allowed to be open for Click & Collect, so presumably they'll have minimum non-food staff on the shop floor. The rest furloughed?
There's nothing much that is fair about Covid unfortunately

 

[tom73]

I see M&S are taking the (St.) Michael by keeping their entire stores open, even though the 'food hall' parts could easily be separated, doesn't seem very fair on the retailers that have had to shut in the run up to Christmas, similar with the likes of Asda selling clothes & electricals etc. and garden centres that are more like department stores.

Unless they are part of a separate sales floor that is.
Yes it's not very fair I agree but it's worth remembering for some they don't have access to much in way to of other shops anyway or can afford to shop at independent shops. Some don't have access to the internet either so supermarkets are often the only place they can get affordable none food items. You can still support local independent shops they are unlike last time allowed to open for click and collect.

 

[oldwheels]

Actually, it is possible to leave England, but only under limited circumstances

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54823490

It is obviously possible because some from high number areas are arriving here on Mull as we are level 2 and they think it is ok to do this. Travelling to work on his estate in one case. Aye right.

 

[Jenkins]

It is obviously possible because some from high number areas are arriving here on Mull as we are level 2 and they think it is ok to do this. Travelling to work on his estate in one case. Aye right.

If you read the link, this reason for this permitted travel is one way only - you won't be coming back unless it's in the overhead locker or cargo hold!

 

[oldwheels]

If you read the link, this reason for this permitted travel is one way only - you won't be coming back unless it's in the overhead locker or cargo hold!

Sorry did not read the link but I presume this is overseas travel. They are still driving without hindrance it would seem within UK.

 

[DaveReading]

Sorry did not read the link but I presume this is overseas travel. They are still driving without hindrance it would seem within UK.

Did anyone ever believe it would be otherwise?

While the law is clear - in England you are not allowed to travel to elsewhere in the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons - don't hold your breath for police checkpoints at the Severn Bridge and Carter Bar.

 

[MrGrumpy]

That’s part of the issue , but if the government took a hard stance on restrictions and checkpoints popped up all over folk would be rioting .

 

[oldwheels]

That’s part of the issue , but if the government took a hard stance on restrictions and checkpoints popped up all over folk would be rioting .

Where I live more likely to be dancing in the street. On line at least. Cannot estimate numbers as I do not have enough info but many people are very angry at people coming here from high risk areas ie pretty much anywhere in England or central Scotland tho' there don't seem to be any I have heard about from Scotland.

 

[Edwardoka]

Where I live more likely to be dancing in the street. On line at least. Cannot estimate numbers as I do not have enough info but many people are very angry at people coming here from high risk areas ie pretty much anywhere in England or central Scotland tho' there don't seem to be any I have heard about from Scotland.

It rips my kniting. I've been desperate to go to Arran for most of this year but refused - the idea of being the guy to unwittingly infect a remote community that is a long helicopter trip away from the nearest acute respiratory failure bed goes completely against who I am.

Meanwhile, others just act seemingly without a moment's pause. When there was talk about checkpointing the border between Scotland and England it was being painted as insular Scots xenophobia instead of it being a sensible approach to lessen the spread across a steep infection gradient.