Commuting, Audaxing and Touring under 1k

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iandg

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Very good call. Do you have any experience with any of these? I'm just slightly concerned they'd be a bit on the heavy/slow side when compared to more modern designs.

What about their Audax bike, seems to be a good compromise? https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m1b0s21p3202/SPA-CYCLES-Steel-Audax-(Shimano-105-Double)

I haven't had experience of these but have dealt with Spa Cycles for other kit mail order (wheels are very good). The Reynolds 725/carbon forks combo is same as the set up on my Genesis Equilibrium which is not too heavy or slow.
 

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Carbon fibre... LMAO!!!
I can't speak for their actual bike (£985 including a tubus rack), but I built up my Spa Steel tourer using their frame, forks and wheels.
Easily the nicest frame I've ever had the pleasure of riding.
Mine including dynamo setup, twin leg kickstand and 1.75" tyres just about tips the scales at 32lb.
 
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le_al_khemista

le_al_khemista

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Hi le_al_khemista,
Following your question above about Spa Cycles bikes I'm sorry because I don't have one so can't speak personally and apologies if I shouldn't point you in the direction of another forum but on the subject of the Spa bikes you'll find a lot of information on them here:-

https://forum.cyclinguk.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=123787

Also with the description of what you want from a bike and with your budget you might find that one of the Genesis bikes could possibly fit the bill for you.

Good luck finding the right one for you and if it's at all possible try riding as many options as you can.
John

Thanks John! Great info on that threat as well as other threads on that forum regarding Spa Cycles.

Yes, quite a few people have suggested the Genesis Equilibrium which does seem to fit the bill quite well. The list just keeps on growing when I was hoping to be narrowing things down by now! Decisions decisions...
 
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le_al_khemista

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All the bikes you mentioned & that others have listed will be fine, but gearing could be important depending what 'light touring' you plan on. I have a Kinesis Racelight which I've used for commuting, winter & light touring over the last 2 years or more. The original gearing was okay for general use ie commuting & recreational riding, but on tour loaded with 2 panniers I found the 34/28 lowest gear tough on some climbs. I notice the Triban has a semi compact chainset, giving a lowest gear of 36/28, so you may find that needs addressing :okay:

I must admit I'm not at all familiar with the gearing requirements for such extreme conditions as I tend to cycle mostly on flat (London) so many thanks for the heads-up! I suppose it tends to be one of those things that people overlook and it's not until you get stuck trying to climb something a bit steep with a fully loaded bike that you realise you might have made a mistake...
 

BalkanExpress

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As with most things in life, the question is where the compromise comes.

Is the bike primarily for commuting with a few Audaxes or vice versa?

And when you say “light touring” do you mean hostel/travelodge/b&b or tent and stove but only for a few days?

Once you know this the compromises become a little clearer: triple chainset or compact? room for 35mm tyres or 28? Disc or rim brake?

Only you can decide what will work best for you...

...Then of course you go into a shop, see something shiny and your heart unlocks your wallet before your head can say no:laugh:
 
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le_al_khemista

le_al_khemista

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As with most things in life, the question is where the compromise comes.

Is the bike primarily for commuting with a few Audaxes or vice versa?

And when you say “light touring” do you mean hostel/travelodge/b&b or tent and stove but only for a few days?

Once you know this the compromises become a little clearer: triple chainset or compact? room for 35mm tyres or 28? Disc or rim brake?

Only you can decide what will work best for you...

...Then of course you go into a shop, see something shiny and your heart unlocks your wallet before your head can say no:laugh:

Hahaha very well put BalkanExpress. My initial budgets always seem to magical expand when it comes to the purchasing of cycling related products... :ohmy:

As per my OP, the bike would be primarily for commuting with the occasional Audax/Sportive in mind.

As for "light touring" I guess I mean a mixture of the above but it's something I'd like to get into rather than something I already have experience in so it's quite hard to judge at this stage. Clearance for 28mm tyres would be ideal, 35 might be excessive as I don't intend to ride off the tarmac.

Cheers
 

vickster

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Genesis Eq :okay:
But do check clearance if adding mudguards (I’ve had 25mm on mine with chromoplastics but I think 28mm would fit, rim brakes)
 
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le_al_khemista

le_al_khemista

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I'll be doing a tour of London's bike shops in the next few days and trying to ride as many bikes as possible. Any advice?

Shame there isn't anywhere local where I can get my hands on a Spa or a Kaffenback. Would love to see how those compare to some of the other bikes mentioned.
 

vickster

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I'll be doing a tour of London's bike shops in the next few days and trying to ride as many bikes as possible. Any advice?

Shame there isn't anywhere local where I can get my hands on a Spa or a Kaffenback. Would love to see how those compare to some of the other bikes mentioned.
Just go to as many shops as you can I guess

I have a Ti bike from Spa. I went from London to Harrogate specifically (as spending over £2k)

If interested in Genesis, you could try LBW in Clerkenwell, De Ver in Streatham, Village bikes in Cobham or maybe even Freeborn down in Horsham.
 
as I understand it, Decathlon are bringing a new range of bikes out at the end of the year, they look very good value with all the necessary bits and pieces you require - there was a link in the found a bargain thread a couple of months ago.

not sure how long you want to wait but as has been posted already, Decathlon give great value for money.

I may actually go against my usual policy and buy a bike that isn't steel from them when they do come out.

edit: link added https://road.cc/content/tech-news/2...isc-braked-triban-bikes-plus-2018-performance

edit 2: https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Genesis-Day-One-20-2018-Road-Bike_113931.htm
 
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le_al_khemista

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as I understand it, Decathlon are bringing a new range of bikes out at the end of the year, they look very good value with all the necessary bits and pieces you require - there was a link in the found a bargain thread a couple of months ago.

not sure how long you want to wait but as has been posted already, Decathlon give great value for money.

I may actually go against my usual policy and buy a bike that isn't steel from them when they do come out.

edit: link added https://road.cc/content/tech-news/2...isc-braked-triban-bikes-plus-2018-performance

edit 2: https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Genesis-Day-One-20-2018-Road-Bike_113931.htm

Thanks uphillstruggler, the new Tribans look very promising! Any news on when that's meant to come out?

I need a bike sooner rather than later but I'm willing to wait a few weeks if that means making the right choice and saving a few quid in the process...

I've seen the Equilibrium at around the same price and I think I'd take it over the Day One as it seems much more versatile. I'm actually quite keen on the Eq as it ticks all my requirements, going to try one tomorrow! :bicycle:
 
Thanks uphillstruggler, the new Tribans look very promising! Any news on when that's meant to come out?

I need a bike sooner rather than later but I'm willing to wait a few weeks if that means making the right choice and saving a few quid in the process...

I've seen the Equilibrium at around the same price and I think I'd take it over the Day One as it seems much more versatile. I'm actually quite keen on the Eq as it ticks all my requirements, going to try one tomorrow! :bicycle:

I have an earlier version of the equilibrium 20, absolutely brilliant bike

Whatever you buy, pictures are essential

Happy shopping :okay:
 

swansonj

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I'll be doing a tour of London's bike shops in the next few days and trying to ride as many bikes as possible. Any advice?

Shame there isn't anywhere local where I can get my hands on a Spa or a Kaffenback. Would love to see how those compare to some of the other bikes mentioned.
There is! Pilgrim Cycles at the foot of Box Hill are a Spa agent (along with Surly, Sabbath, Dawes, and their own build) and usually have at least a Spa tourer in stock.

Edit: I dropped in for a coffee just now on today’s cycle. He currently has one Spa in stock, a steel tourer. But he has an arrangement with Spa so he may be able to get a demo of a different model - you could give him a ring.
 
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froze

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From the list of bikes you gave the Trek is not designed to go touring unless you're only going to be credit carding it, the bike has no mounts for panniers only fender mounts. The Triban, as is with the Trek and others some mentioned, the frame is aluminum which unless it's very high end aluminum like the Koga you might suffer from reliability of the frame when touring, not to mention a harsher ride vs the steel bikes and on long rides you don't want to get beat up riding. So in my mind that only leaves the Planet X and the Ribble, the Planet X bubbles to the top only because it has the capability to use 32c tires vs only 28c max size on the Ribble, and if you'll be doing in touring you'll want to use 32c tires. Thus from those four you showed the winner is the Planet X Kaffenback.

One poster mentioned the Trek 520, it is a very good touring bike and is a bit more stout then the Planet X but it also weighs about 10 pounds more then the Planet X, so since you mentioned you wanted to do lighter touring and not full on expedition touring then the Planet X wins again.

The mentioned Genesis Equilibrium has lower end Tiagra, though not a bad group by any means, but the Rival 11 on the Planet X is one step up from that. In addition to that the Genesis uses a carbon fiber fork which I wouldn't trust a no name generic CF fork made in China to hold up for long and especially for touring. And of course we have the same problem with the Spa Cycles bike when it comes to the fork; plus with the Spa the bike uses a standard frame instead of sloping top tube, nothing wrong with that but it does make it a bit more difficult to dismount when loaded.

However the other Spa all steel tourer bike https://www.spacycles.co.uk/m1b0s21p2983/SPA-CYCLES-Steel-Tourer isn't bad, actually I might like it better than the Planet X. The Sora shifters are only so so vs the Rival 11, but you can always upgrade those when they fail. Also the Spa uses better Reynolds 725 and steel fork with eyelets for pannier rack and fenders as well as a third set of water cage mounts which is very important for touring. Plus it comes with Tubus racks and SKS mudguards. I would NOT go with the upgrade TI rack, TI in that diameter is not strong enough, plus the rack when made correctly can actually help control a loaded bike and TI is too flexy to do that job adequately. I think we have a winner...unless the weight of that bike which stands at around 28 pounds vs around 23 pounds for the Planet X is a put off. The weight issue really depends on how much weight do you EVER foresee yourself carrying when touring, the 28 pound bike is due to a beefer frame and fork like the Trek 520 has, but if you will never be doing any long term touring and thus have no plans on carrying a great deal of weight to support yourself for longer periods of times then the Planet X is fine, but if you want to cover your bases in case you do then the Spa steel tourer bike is the one to get.

Now there is one other bike to consider, though this one will cost more, but if you plan on keeping it for a long time and do long distance touring in all sorts of weather then this next bike you should seriously consider even if that means waiting a bit to save up more money, and that's the Kona Sutra with disk brakes, see: http://www.konaworld.com/sutra.cfm that bike notice that it's shifters are on the ends of the handlebar, that's for better control when shifting a loaded bike, and it keeps the bike simple, plus in case you crash and damage the brake lever you're also not damaging a more expensive brake with shifter. Also the Kona has a better gear range for climbing steep grades on a touring bike, the front has a 26 vs a 28 small ring gear, and the rear has a 34 vs a 32; not a big deal because you can always change gears rather cheaply but this bike is ready to go; but the Spa uses a road bike front derailleur instead of a mountain bike derailleur like the Kona does, so to get the Spa to use a smaller chain ring you might also have to change out the front derailleur but again those are not expensive. Of course the Kona is more expensive but you do get a lot for the money including better all weather brakes, better tires, better seat, better gearing, better crank set, more reliable and less damage prone shifting system, larger 40c (vs 32c) tires for more types of surface conditions, and it's about 2 or 3 pounds lighter.

So basically the decision comes down to money, doesn't it always?! If you want to stay below $1,000 then go with the Spa Cycles steel tourer, if you can wait and save up a tad more money then the Kona is the best one. The Kona is so good you can't even find a better touring bike till you get into something twice the money and then it will only be maybe 10% better.
 
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