Coast to Coast advice

[mjr]

As I say they were really good from our direct experience

Could you say more why, please? Were you on scheduled group departures or bespoke? Did anything unexpected happen that needed their help, or is it purely the convenience of easier booking with their usual suppliers, possibly with discounts they get?

I expect 90+% of their tours run as planned. I feel the risk is about what happens when things crop up mid tour, or very close to departure.

 

[YMFB]

That also uses east of Pateley part of the talked about since the 1960s cycleway along the old railway line which so far only extends from Harrogate to almost Ripley in terms of the old railway - looks like they plan to rejoin it at Birstwith. So long term it certainly is.

For me personally the WOTR from Appletreewick to Pateley Bridge was a real highlight and I felt it was an achievement to ride up the hill without stopping. I think it will be a shame if it bypasses either the climb or the downhil.

 

[mjr]

For me personally the WOTR from Appletreewick to Pateley Bridge was a real highlight and I felt it was an achievement to ride up the hill without stopping. I think it will be a shame if it bypasses either the climb or the downhil.

Hmm, but the question is: how high would the body count have to be before you would reroute it away from that descent?

 

[PaulSB]

Could you say more why, please? Were you on scheduled group departures or bespoke? Did anything unexpected happen that needed their help, or is it purely the convenience of easier booking with their usual suppliers, possibly with discounts they get?

I expect 90+% of their tours run as planned. I feel the risk is about what happens when things crop up mid tour, or very close to departure.

This is true of any "holiday" company. How a company reacts to issues, the unexpected, etc. is a strong indicator of the overall business quality.

 

[fossyant]

Where is this descent, I need to give it a go.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Where is this descent, I need to give it a go.

Bring your skis

 

[fossyant]

Bring your skis

Be fine on rim brakes and 25c then !

 

[Mike_P]

For me personally the WOTR from Appletreewick to Pateley Bridge was a real highlight and I felt it was an achievement to ride up the hill without stopping. I think it will be a shame if it bypasses either the climb or the downhil.

The altered route if it comes about is not exactly flat
Appletreewick to old railway

Old railway to crossroads before Brimham Rocks involves the clmb of the 18% max Hartwith Bank
Existing route from Appletreetwick to the crossroad before Brimham Rocks

 

[ColinJ]

Where is this descent, I need to give it a go.

HERE.

 

[Sea of vapours]

And not forgetting this one earlier on:

And that's not even mentioning the at least three 'xx%' signs and several 'sharp bend' and 'road narrows' signs. Apart from all those, there's barely a hint of a hazard ...

 

[ColinJ]

And that's not even mentioning the at least three 'xx%' signs and several 'sharp bend' and 'road narrows' signs. Apart from all those, there's barely a hint of a hazard ...

I agree that anybody who can read ought not to be caught out. I also think that anybody with decent eyesight and common sense should be able to see the hazards coming up and slow down in time.

But... I was thinking back the other day to some of the near misses that I had when I got back into cycling after a 20 year hiatus. I really didn't know how to get round tight bends on fast descents safely! I reckon that many of the Greenhow cycling victims might be under-skilled rather than overconfident?

I'm not suggesting that @gavgav or any other CycleChat member reading this thread would cock up that descent, but if I hadn't mentioned it and they did, I would have felt wretched!

 

[YMFB]

Hmm, but the question is: how high would the body count have to be before you would reroute it away from that descent?

Or add other features to reduce speed.

 

[Jameshow]

And not forgetting this one earlier on:
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And that's not even mentioning the at least three 'xx%' signs and several 'sharp bend' and 'road narrows' signs. Apart from all those, there's barely a hint of a hazard ...

I've been down it many a time, must mean I'm the next Julian Annaphilpe! 🤣🤣