Charlie Alliston case - fixie rider accused of causing pedestrian death

[Pale Rider]

[QUOTE 4950814, member: 1314"]

Are you a troll?[/QUOTE]

And are you being deliberately dense?

Both pedestrians were crossing at a point otherwise than at a controlled crossing, commonly known as jaywalking.

A legal action in this country, but highly relevant to both cases.

Had Alliston knocked down a pedestrian while cycling on the pavement I doubt the jury would have had much trouble convicting him of manslaughter.

The family of the cyclist in the second case were frustrated by the fact the pedestrian was in the road where they thought he should not be.

 

[theclaud]

Both pedestrians were crossing at a point otherwise than at a controlled crossing, commonly known as jaywalking.

Actually it's just called 'crossing the road'. HTH.

 

[Pale Rider]

Actually it's just called 'crossing the road'. HTH.

Actually, the distinction was made in both cases.

The coroner in the second case recommended the creation of a 'pedestrian crossing' at the accident site.

So the distinction is an important one.

But of course, it's not as important as making jibes at other members, is it?

Try discussing the topic - for a change.

Quote from the coroner: "I have made a recommendation to the higher authorities that they do make a pedestrian crossing on Church Road."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4858530/Cyclist-died-running-pedestrian.html#ixzz4s6tOHFka

 

[theclaud]

Actually, the distinction was made in both cases.

The coroner in the second case recommended the creation of a 'pedestrian crossing' at the accident site.

So the distinction is an important one.

But of course, it's not as important as making jibes at other members, is it?

Try discussing the topic - for a change.

Quote from the coroner: "I have made a recommendation to the higher authorities that they do make a pedestrian crossing on Church Road."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4858530/Cyclist-died-running-pedestrian.html#ixzz4s6tOHFka

Jibe? The concept of 'jaywalking' implies that crossing the road in places not recognised as legitimate by motorists is deviant or irresponsible behaviour. I don't recognise it and I think it's irresponsible to use it.

 

[DaveReading]

crossing at a point otherwise than at a controlled crossing, commonly known as jaywalking

Well in the columns of the Daily Mail or downtown New York City, perhaps.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Both pedestrians were crossing at a point otherwise than at a controlled crossing, commonly known as jaywalking.
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Only in the minds of the lead addled, and the American obsessed.

 

[jefmcg]

If we are going to introduce jaywalking in the UK, can we at least make up our own slur.

May I suggest chavwalking?


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFn7MiJz_s

(posted before)

 

[winjim]

The time to consider a jaywalking law would be at the point when we have correct enforcement of motorists driving and parking where they ought not to be.

Oh yeah, and all other motoring offences. Get those down to zero and we'll talk.

 

[Dan B]

The time to consider a jaywalking law would be

never. Our common law right to pass and repass on the public highway should not be contingent on the behaviour of motorists

 

[T4tomo]

I see that a pedestrian injured during the Ride London sportive in July has died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41212147

I'm sure the gutter press will latch onto this to fuel yet more anti-cycling sentiment, especially as the press insist on calling it a race. Let's see what tone their reporting takes...

Was the RL supposed to be closed roads, or is that only closed to traffic, and hence pedestrians take there chance crossing the road, with cyclists thinking they only have to avoid other cyclists, Andy presumably any pedestrian crossings zebra or pelican, not in operation?

 

[winjim]

never. Our common law right to pass and repass on the public highway should not be contingent on the behaviour of motorists

I see you've given the matter some consideration. You did get the point of the rest of my post?

 

[srw]

Was the RL supposed to be closed roads, or is that only closed to traffic, and hence pedestrians take there chance crossing the road, with cyclists thinking they only have to avoid other cyclists, Andy presumably any pedestrian crossings zebra or pelican, not in operation?

Completely closed roads, with pedestrian crossing restricted to marshal-controlled crossing points - and in most places the stream of cyclists didn't really allow anything else. Having said that, the marshalling, particularly on Putney Hill and thereafter, was a bit rubbish, really, with pedestrians (and in some cases vehicles) crossing without much control.

If this is the woman I saw lying on the road (I think it is, given the location), matters seem to have been made more complicated by the presence of a small dog.

 

[DaveReading]

with pedestrian crossing restricted to marshal-controlled crossing points

You mean officially-sanctioned crossing points were restricted to those controlled by marshals.

Many of us stragglers will have seen peds crossing willy-nilly in the gaps between riders where there was nobody to stop them. I had a couple of occasions where I had to steer to pass being someone who was crossing. It was no big deal - it's unrealistic to expect the whole route to be sterile.

 

[srw]

You mean officially-sanctioned crossing points were restricted to those controlled by marshals.

Many of us stragglers will have seen peds crossing willy-nilly in the gaps between riders where there was nobody to stop them. I had a couple of occasions where I had to steer to pass being someone who was crossing. It was no big deal - it's unrealistic to expect the whole route to be sterile.

Yes, fair enough. A couple of years ago we were in the stragglers too. But this year because we cut short to 46 miles we were rolling home through the busiest part of the bike traffic. There were plenty of official crossing points, so if they'd been more obvious, and better rehearsed, pedestrians could have been safe.

 

[srw]

Yes, fair enough. A couple of years ago we were in the stragglers too. But this year because we cut short to 46 miles we were rolling home through the busiest part of the bike traffic. There were plenty of official crossing points, so if they'd been more obvious, and better rehearsed, pedestrians could have been safe.

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"To allow access across closed roads on the event route, pedestrian access will still be possible at designated crossings, where marshals will ensure you can cross the road safely."
https://www.prudentialridelondon.co.uk/about/faqs/

"PEDESTRIAN CROSSING POINTS These are located at the existing signalled crossings along the event route and will be under marshal supervision to help you across the road throughout the day. Pedestrian crossing points will be temporarily closed prior to the professional race passing through."
https://d1ffaecguugkl4.cloudfront.n...edia/890/Putney-Resident-Information-2017.pdf (A leaflet dropped to all local residents)