Shall we forget the TMN business before it really takes hold just for once (or twice if we include the joke thread). None of us will be looking through 40+ pages or making study notes when we have a good idea, if someone has had it before, fair play, just shows it was a particularly good one.
Otherwise this jolly good thread will die in a spiral of I said it first. & yes I know I've said it to @fnarr, I'm not proud of it.