Carlton Corsair, new arrival

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RichardB

Slightly retro
Location
West Wales
Well, it's here. It arrived today and in many ways it is better than I expected, but there are, as always, a couple of niggles.

First, a pic (there will be more):

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Good bits first: it's very original. Paintwork is deep and shiny with only a few chips and blemishes - pretty good for 40 years old. Decals good. Mudguards, chainset protector and rack are present (on most I have seen these are missing and it's £££ to put them back). The rack looks very like the original, but I'm not 100% convinced. It's too good. They came from the factory with a brown suede saddle, and this looks like it might be the original one. It's getting binned asap, though, like I did with my first Corsair. It's horrid and uncomfy. Tyres are English-made Michelin Sports, 27x1.25. The front is newish, but I think the rear might be the original tyre. It's a gumwall, horrendously old, and the brown bits are melting and cracking everywhere. It's getting new tyres before I go anywhere. Bar tape is inevitably a replacement and will be changed. I'm wondering about Brooks leather bar tape to match the B17 the other end is getting - too much? Miraculously, no one has thought to 'upgrade' the Raleigh-branded front and rear mechs. However, the rear block is a 14-24, and I know my old bike was a 14-34. Has someone swapped it to make the bike racier, or is this how they were sold? I was expecting a nice 33" bottom gear and the 42x24 gives 47", which will bust my knees big time. We shall see. I might take up the challenge.

Less good bits? Someone has tried to touch in the paint in places and left things a bit rippley. Not very noticeable, though. The seat pin nut is chewed and was seized up. I have managed to free it and the bolt is fine, but it needs a new one. Thankfully, both seat pin and stem are free. The eagle-eyed among you will have noticed that the front and rear brake cables were wrong way round. Took me about 10 minutes to put right, once I had remembered how centre-pull calipers work. Chain is slightly rusty and the cables are stiff. I think new consumables are in order, followed by a good strip and lube of everything that moves.

Finally, I rode it round the garden. I hadn't ridden a bike with toe straps for many years. Yes, I fell off.

More to come when I have had a better look in the morning. There are some small detail differences between my 80s Corsair and this one, which the seller says is 1979. If anyone has any knowledge of the history of this model, I'd be really interested to hear it.
 
very nice, Im sure @midlife or one of the other resident carlton specialist will be along shortly.
 
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RichardB

RichardB

Slightly retro
Location
West Wales
very nice, Im sure @midlife or one of the other resident carlton specialist will be along shortly.

Hope so. I'd be interested to know when the changes to frame design happened and where it all fits in with the history of the company.


They look a pretty good approximation of the Michelins, and price isn't too bad.

Velox Tressorex bar tape (looks good, feels good and far cheaper/easier to wrap than Brooks leather) light coating of cellulose acetate or similar to weatherproof:
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White cable outer? and away you go ^_^

Just noticed - saddle holder other way around?

I had cloth tape on the old bike. I wondered about something a little more upmarket, but maybe comfort wins. Brooks leather is a big investment!

Never been keen on white cable outers, and I am sure the original had black.

Yes, the saddle clip is reversed, presumably by the same person who reversed the brakes! I guess it is to move the saddle further over the BB, something I favour too. I plan an alloy seat post with microadjustable top anyway, so maybe that clip will join the 500 or so others in the bottom of my 'might come in useful' box.
 

midlife

Guru
Nice :smile:. One of the most original I can remember, don't worry about the rear rack, Raleigh used several, including the one you seem to have and Pletcher. The only thing that springs out is the seat post. Seem to recall it was a forged SR item and not the one you have. Which has the seat clamp the wrong way round lol.

Kick the tyres, light the fires and take it for a spin :smile:
 
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RichardB

RichardB

Slightly retro
Location
West Wales
Yes, it was an SR item on the old one. And thanks for reminding me, the rack was a Pletscher. It's going for a spin when I get a new rear tyre. The tread on the present one is literally falling off in strips. It would last 100 yards. To be fair, the seller included this in the listing, so no complaints. Just amazed that a tyre has lasted so long - 40 years?
 

Shreds

Senior Member
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Maybe this will jog a few memories?

Complete with price £163.45 !

An original brochure from c1979/80 for the bikes built in Worksop, Notts.
 
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RichardB

RichardB

Slightly retro
Location
West Wales
Bike is up and running, off out for a spin while the sun lasts. Photos to follow.

Midlife, I was mistaken. The seat pin on my old bike was a plain alloy pin with a chrome steel clamp at the top, as per millions of bikes at the time. I wanted an SR, but never fitted one.

Thankn you so much for posting those brochure pages. The second one (Corsair GT) was my old bike exactly. The new one (which may in fact be older) has a few detail differences which I will go into in another post.
 

Shreds

Senior Member
At the time I was looking at everything readily available from a Viking “Superstar 12”, through the Carlton and Raleigh ranges. Eventually was constrained as ever by my finances and bought a Raleigh Europa, my girlfriends (at the time) dad buying her a Carlton Grand Prix 10. Wow! We did a few tours, but it was me who was bitten by the cycling bug properly and upgraded to a 531 frame after a couple of years.

So interesting looking back in retrospect at these brochures I came across a few months ago in a collection of cycle papers. 😃
 
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RichardB

RichardB

Slightly retro
Location
West Wales
Here's a few pics of the new steed. First thing was new tyres. The rear was shockingly bad, the front OK, but I replaced them both. I didn't want to wait for a web order and my LBS had some 27x1.25 in stock (salesperson: yes, we have a couple, but can I check that is really what you want? You don't mean 700C?). They are cheapish and Chinese, but they will do to get me mobile until I can source something better. First the old rear, which I am convinced is the 1979 original:

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It had gone sticky and gummed itself to the rim, so an hour was spent with a scraper and wire wool to get the rim clean. You can see why I didn't want to trust it on the road. The tyre was marked Michelin Sports, and the tube was a Michelin Airstop, both of which were fitted to new bikes, from my recollection. So it had probably been on there 40 years. It didn't want to let go!

New tyres are Nutrak, anonymous Chinese things that fitted well and roll easily. I'm quite pleased with them:

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Next, reverse the saddle clamp and adjust saddle height, adjust brakes and lube everything. The chain and transmission hadn't seen oil in a long time, but were OK once lubed.

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I've done something very sensible and fitted some old pedals without toeclips, just until I get used to the bike. I don't mind falling off onto one of the wife's plantpots, but not on the road thanks. I don't bounce so well these days.

I went for a few miles through the lanes here and tried a biggish hill. I got about 3/4 of the way up before turning round, but I didn't get off and push! That's going to be a challenge and a test over the summer. I need to be a lot fitter before that 14-24 block makes any sense for me.

Here it is in running order, and one of the fleet:

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