Carbon lay on wheels

[T4tomo]

Im still regularly riding 39 year old wheels. That's good going.

SNAP(ish)
I have some 41 year old first series Shimano 600 wheels going strong too - suspect they haven't done masses of miles each year though. getting to stage they could do with rebuilding with new spokes for cosmetic purposes.

My 34 year old Maillard hub / rigida rims had a rebuild with new rims & spokes in the summer due to a pot hole damage incident, again braking surfaces were still OK (but had a small crack from pot hole incident) so again has probably spent a lot of time sat in a garage and not been used I suspect.

all that said.....
For everyday modern road bike 7 years life isn't too bad and I suspect the rims are getting quite worn anyway. I'm not surprised Madison didn't want to know when they were more than double the life of guarantee period.

Its also a design that precludes replacing a rim if you have a issue, which is something to think about before spending 700 notes on a set. You could get a lot of longer lasting rebuildable hand build wheel for that.

 

[Cycleops]

For everyday modern road bike 7 years life isn't too bad and I suspect the rims are getting quite worn anyway. I'm not surprised Madison didn't want to know when they were more than double the life of guarantee period.

Its also a design that precludes replacing a rim if you have a issue, which is something to think about before spending 700 notes on a set. You could get a lot of longer lasting rebuildable hand build wheel for that.

Any guarantee would be against manufacturing defects and is arguably not the case here.
I think what the OP is more concerned with the poor design and the fact they could fail potentially catastrophically causing injury and wants others to be aware.
Some see the word carbon and think wow, these must be good , plus they are made by Shimano in their top tier range. What could possibly go wrong?
The fact that Madison were not interested is an affront to the care that should be due to their customers.

 

[cougie uk]

Any guarantee would be against manufacturing defects and is arguably not the case here.
I think what the OP is more concerned with the poor design and the fact they could fail potentially catastrophically causing injury and wants others to be aware.
Some see the word carbon and think wow, these must be good , plus they are made by Shimano in their top tier range. What could possibly go wrong?
The fact that Madison were not interested is an affront to the care that should be due to their customers.

Isn't the OP more concerned that his wheels of 7 years ago weren't made the way he thought they were ?

Does anyone see carbon and think - blimey. These consumables will last forever ?

 

[T4tomo]

The fact that Madison were not interested is an affront to the care that should be due to their customers.

Its 4years plus since any obligation to the customer, via the warranty, which may even have been direct with Shimano, expired. and you can hardly hang them on sale of goods act, as 7 years of use suggest they were fit for purpose.

 

[Cycleops]

Its 4years plus since any obligation to the customer, via the warranty, which may even have been direct with Shimano, expired. and you can hardly hang them on sale of goods act, as 7 years of use suggest they were fit for purpose.

I’m not talking about any guarantees or sale of goods act. I’m talking about ongoing safety issues with these wheels which should be a concern to a distributor or manufacture.

Does anyone see carbon and think - blimey. These consumables will last forever ?

No, but they will see they are a premium product made by Shimano and expect a tested design, level of quality and longevity. They won’t expect them to fall apart within a few years.

 

[cougie uk]

I’m not talking about any guarantees or sale of goods act. I’m talking about ongoing safety issues with these wheels which should be a concern to a distributor or manufacture.

Are there any issues ? I've had the Ultegra version for donkeys years and they've had no issues.

 

[Lookrider]

Are there any issues ? I've had the Ultegra version for donkeys years and they've had no issues.

Any guarantee would be against manufacturing defects and is arguably not the case here.
I think what the OP is more concerned with the poor design and the fact they could fail potentially catastrophically causing injury and wants others to be aware.
Some see the word carbon and think wow, these must be good , plus they are made by Shimano in their top tier range. What could possibly go wrong?
The fact that Madison were not interested is an affront to the care that should be due to their customers.

That's exactly what I'm getting at regardarding carbon lay ?
its not what I thought it was ...my fault im not feeling sorry for myself

The wheel failed
Again im ok health wise I controlled it at speed
I'm making people aware that's all..
The next rider may not be so lucky
How many big companies have product recall on things ??
Maybe they find this out by us the customer letting them know about failures and issues

All I want is for others to learn from my wrong presumptions
That's all

That ultegra wheel has lasted donkeys years ? Good luck and i hope that continues
I also hope there not 1 C24 out there waiting to fail
Hopefully I got the 1 built on a friday afternoon in a rush

 

[T4tomo]

@Lookrider , they are quality hubs, worth seeing if a wheelbuilder can lace some new alu rims onto them if you are that way inclined. You'll end up with a nice quality wheelset.

 

[Lookrider]

@Lookrider , they are quality hubs, worth seeing if a wheelbuilder can lace some new alu rims onto them if you are that way inclined. You'll end up with a nice quality wheelset.

Yep
That's the logical way of attaining the next wheel and I had looked into that as well
If anyones interested i have bypassed the LBS went to mail to madison with photo etc expressed my safety concerns . Quoted a remark from senior shimano director about safety and products ...its with madison and documented so we see if the paper trail ends up in shimamo hands
If I was a rep and subject to any future blame I would be fast in frd that info to my boss ...then it's there issue

 

[vickster]

Were Madison already the UK (assuming you're in the UK) distributor for Shimano 7 years ago? Just a thought, could have been another company?

 

[Lookrider]

Were Madison already the UK (assuming you're in the UK) distributor for Shimano 7 years ago? Just a thought, could have been another company?

Distribution for about 40 years
( there website )
No idea how many years they represented shimano