Camping next week...

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bobg

Über Member
My son's girlfriend is 19 next week and as a "special treat" she wants him to go camping in the Lake District next Tuesday - Thursday and maybe bag a couple of peaks while they're there !! Neither of then have been there or camped much before and they've no fell walking experience Nothing I can do or say will change their mind . All my dire warnings are falling on stoney ground. I'll kitted them out with my compass/torch/trianga/maps/ winter layers etc... I know we all do daft things where we're young and don't listen to advice from Dad, but I'm very concerned.

He'll be home from uni next Monday and I'll direct him here so anything you good people can say on this thread may make him more aware of the risks. Off to buy one of those hypothermia blankets....:angry:
 

TVC

Guest
Give them each a baggage label to tie round their necks with their name and contact details for the next of kin. It'll make identifying the bodies so much easier.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
Don't worry, as long as it stays dry the worst thing that can happen is that they get very cold. They'll have a ball.

Give them a bottle of scotch.
 
Nothing wrong with a trip to the Lakes, it will certainly be beautiful at this time of year with the snow.

Don't think I would camp however, a nice warm B&B is the place for me.

As for walking, well you need to act within your level of experience in this kind of weather. From what you say about your son and his girlfriend, I would suggest that they walk at low level and stay off the tops.

The weather can change very quickly, particularly in these present conditions and even the most experienced of walkers can get caught out.

They will be be certain peaks even in the relative low altitudes of the Lakes where crampons and ice axes will be necessary.
 
My son's girlfriend is 19 next week and as a "special treat" she wants him to go camping in the Lake District next Tuesday - Thursday and maybe bag a couple of peaks while they're there !! Neither of then have been there or camped much before and they've no fell walking experience Nothing I can do or say will change their mind . All my dire warnings are falling on stoney ground. I'll kitted them out with my compass/torch/trianga/maps/ winter layers etc... I know we all do daft things where we're young and don't listen to advice from Dad, but I'm very concerned.

He'll be home from uni next Monday and I'll direct him here so anything you good people can say on this thread may make him more aware of the risks. Off to buy one of those hypothermia blankets....:angry:

As a qualified mountain instructor I would take in account their lack of experience, recommend that they think carefully what they want to do or achieve. Whilst people will throw there hands up in despair with their idea, I think the drive there can be as equally dangerous.

Young people like to push the Boundaries, so no harm there.
I would say its ok if they only intend to say go to a campsite like NT Langdale or Brothers water, both have a pub near which serve meals. Both sites allow low level walks, so they can gain some experience of walking in sub zero temperatures, also it will allow them chance to gain knowledge of the surrounding countryside.

Of course the problem really is equipment; to be honest if they do not have the right equipment for camping in sub zero temperatures life can become unpleasant. Only want to have an increased wind chill factor, and people start to suffer. Last year I camped in February on Harter fell, in the lakes, the wind chill factor was about -20 and that was with a wind speed of 10 km/h. And one gets the same results at low levels.

So we are looking at 4 season tent, 4 season sleeping bags, no use sharing a bag as the sweat will just make you more cold, once the happy times have ended, as people turn about in there sleep it lets cold air in.

Plenty of layered clothing, good boots and correct socks cos so easy to get frost nip or worse frost bite. The list goes on, I think they really have not thought too much about the Logistics of winter camping. It will be much easier for them if they used a hostel or B&B, then they can get the benefits of walking and have a nice night sleep with out worrying if the tent will cave in with the weight of snow, or be blown away in the wind, or the near by stream will flood them out.
 

Gerry Attrick

Lincolnshire Mountain Rescue Consultant
I'd echo what Addictfreak says. Whatever the temperature is at sea level, it will be ten degrees less on the tops, and wind chill will make it effectively much colder. Without experience it would be sheer lunacy to attempt the peaks in these conditions, and unless they have top quality all season camping kit and a good deal of foul weather camping experience, then I'd suggest that is out too.

Perhaps you could could explain that if they get into difficulties, the mountain rescue team will have to risk their necks to pull them out.
 

snorri

Legendary Member
I think common sense will prevail long before they reach the Lake Distict, and certainly before they get the tent out of the car, unless alcohol becomes involved in the decision making .
 

Tim Bennet.

Entirely Average Member
Location
S of Kendal
It's weird here - we've only had less than half and inch of snow and the sun has been blazing under blue skies for a week. It's chilly but there's loads of people around and lot's are camping.

The only problem camping at this time of year is the long dark evenings, but as long as they bring enough money to go to the pub, they'll be right. If they're not flush, they will learn to spin out 'a half of mild' for as long as possible like we did.

Then back to the tent. It's a bloke and his girlfriend for heaven's sake. How much sympathy do they need? As long as they have two or three cheap 'karrimats' under them, any old sleeping bags and a double sized hollowfill duvet off the bed at home, they'll be right!

There's lot's of hill and tops that are completely free of snow at the moment. If they use their commonsense they can join the thousands of others here at the moment who are having a ball. Keep away from steep ground, keep off hardpacked snow on the northern sides of the high fells, take lots of clothes, food, map and a torch, and it'll be great.
 
Location
Accrington
The site at Brotherswater also has a camping barn (see here http://www.sykeside.co.uk/ ) I would advise them to approach from Penrith as Kirkstone Pass has a nasty habit of becoming inaccessible.... As Ticktockmy says it's a good area for low level walking but I must point out that I did the Fairfield Horseshoe one March and as I got to the top I realised crampons would have saved me a lot of hassle... So make sure they have the correct gear and let them enjoy themselves.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
It's weird here - we've only had less than half and inch of snow and the sun has been blazing under blue skies for a week. It's chilly but there's loads of people around and lot's are camping.

The only problem camping at this time of year is the long dark evenings, but as long as they bring enough money to go to the pub, they'll be right. If they're not flush, they will learn to spin out 'a half of mild' for as long as possible like we did.

Then back to the tent. It's a bloke and his girlfriend for heaven's sake. How much sympathy do they need? As long as they have two or three cheap 'karrimats' under them, any old sleeping bags and a double sized hollowfill duvet off the bed at home, they'll be right!

There's lot's of hill and tops that are completely free of snow at the moment. If they use their commonsense they can join the thousands of others here at the moment who are having a ball. Keep away from steep ground, keep off hardpacked snow on the northern sides of the high fells, take lots of clothes, food, map and a torch, and it'll be great.

A voice of reason amongst the predictions of doom!
 
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