Bus driver question

Page may contain affiliate links. Please see terms for details.

Cab

New Member
Location
Cambridge
RANDOM said:
Well we shouldn't or should we.

Yes, we should.

Again, bottom line, a professional driver is boasting that he used his company vehicle to commit an assault in a public forum where the company may be identifiable. If that got back to his employer he would be in danger of losing his job. In fact, if that got back to his employer then arguably the employer has a duty to report that to the police.

Do you consider that drivers boast acceptable, yes or no?
 

spindrift

New Member
As i said i never said that homophobia or gbh was ok

Strictly speaking you are correct. What you actually said was that there was nothing wrong with either. The law disagrees, and my opinion now is that although I can take your semi-literacy, your mental capacity indicates that you are too stupid to argue with.

I hope you get crushed to death by a bus, but remember, I'm just letting off steam like your bus driver chums you defend.
 
OP
OP
M

magnatom

Guest
RANDOM

Are you one of the drivers? You know a fair bit about the site, and are pretty defensive of it.


I was just thinking that.

RANDOM, it appears that you are trying to provoke, but notice no-one has been as agresive or rude towards you, as they were on that site. Wouldn't you agree.

(this thread is now moving faster than I can read!!)
 

col

Legendary Member
To be fair,i think most of what is said and done on this forum,is in jest.but i also think that there are bad examples in both areas.If bus drivers used all cyclists examples,ie the chav type or other,im sure there could be a bull bait,on how cyclists are bad or dangerous.Im sure we have all coined the phrase"Ill kill em" at some point,it doesnt mean we mean it,more a way of venting our feelings at the time,it doesnt mean we are killers.It is very worrying when a driver purposely tries to squeeze or push a cyclist,i dare say ,there will be the odd one who might,these are the ones that should not be in the job,obviously.But on the other hand there are cyclists,that do dangerouse things,and try to cause problems on purpose to.Now i think im safe in saying that there are non of these type on here,maybe the odd one,who knows.But a similar thing will be on other forums,most are normal safe driving people,but the odd one will be there somewhere.Some of the things that have been said by bus drivers,may be in bad taste,in a cyclists opinion,but it was still, i feel,in jest,and not to be taken literally.Now i believe Random to be a decent person,going on his threads,but if he made a joke about something,i would either find it humerous,or not,i wouldnt start thinking that if it not amusing to me,that he was some dangerous person.I also think we generalise too much,both ways.We can all quote certain times when someone has done something to us,but that doesnt mean everyone in that particular area is the same,it would mean that we have been unlucky in coming across the minority in that instance.Or even just a mistake was made.
 

RANDOM

New Member
spindrift said:
As i said i never said that homophobia or gbh was ok

Strictly speaking you are correct. What you actually said was that there was nothing wrong with either. The law disagrees, and my opinion now is that although I can take your semi-literacy, your mental capacity indicates that you are too stupid to argue with.

I hope you get crushed to death by a bus, but remember, I'm just letting off steam like your bus driver chums you defend.

Now spindrift i would never wish to hurt any one who cycle on our streets as a driver i'm always careful when passing cyclist as i could not live with myself if i hurt anyone.Myself personally would not dare to ride on the roads as their are very dangerous and i have to admit it takes a brave b*****d to do so.As for my semi-literacy and mental capacity may be it's just an excuse to get out of arguing with me because i will not bow down to your pitiful name calling.Oh and yes safe cycling to you all.
 

RANDOM

New Member
magnatom said:
I was just thinking that.

RANDOM, it appears that you are trying to provoke, but notice no-one has been as agresive or rude towards you, as they were on that site. Wouldn't you agree.

(this thread is now moving faster than I can read!!)

Yes i do agree but no i'm not trying to provoke any one.
 

RANDOM

New Member
col said:
To be fair,i think most of what is said and done on this forum,is in jest.but i also think that there are bad examples in both areas.If bus drivers used all cyclists examples,ie the chav type or other,im sure there could be a bull bait,on how cyclists are bad or dangerous.Im sure we have all coined the phrase"Ill kill em" at some point,it doesnt mean we mean it,more a way of venting our feelings at the time,it doesnt mean we are killers.It is very worrying when a driver purposely tries to squeeze or push a cyclist,i dare say ,there will be the odd one who might,these are the ones that should not be in the job,obviously.But on the other hand there are cyclists,that do dangerouse things,and try to cause problems on purpose to.Now i think im safe in saying that there are non of these type on here,maybe the odd one,who knows.But a similar thing will be on other forums,most are normal safe driving people,but the odd one will be there somewhere.Some of the things that have been said by bus drivers,may be in bad taste,in a cyclists opinion,but it was still, i feel,in jest,and not to be taken literally.Now i believe Random to be a decent person,going on his threads,but if he made a joke about something,i would either find it humerous,or not,i wouldnt start thinking that if it not amusing to me,that he was some dangerous person.I also think we generalise too much,both ways.We can all quote certain times when someone has done something to us,but that doesnt mean everyone in that particular area is the same,it would mean that we have been unlucky in coming across the minority in that instance.Or even just a mistake was made.

Thanks couldn't have put it a better way myself,also would never wish to hurt any one one the road
 

col

Legendary Member
RANDOM said:
Thanks couldn't have put it a better way myself,also would never wish to hurt any one one the road



Most of us think this way,the worry of actually knocking some one off their bike is terrifying.I can understand the reactions on here,well from most anyway:smile:because it can and does get dangerous on the road,aspecailly when something happens that neednt,just because an idiot lost their temper.But again,i think we are all guilty of generalising too much.
 

spindrift

New Member
Myself personally would not dare to ride on the roads as their are very dangerous and i have to admit it takes a brave b*****d to do so

Not really, no more danherous than walking,and the BMI reckon the health benefits outweigh the dangers by a factor of 8-1.

Try cycling, it'll make you happy, which is after all what we all want.
 

nethalus

New Member
Location
In my house
I must admit I did find some of the reactions of other bus drivers to Magnatom's appearence on the bus driver's forum disapointing. A few resorted to personal insults. While some did put forward intelligent comments and suggestions others went on wild meaningless tangents. I suppose I could be accused of being an appologist but here was one of my replies:

I don't think much has been said to improve Magnatom's, or other cyclists, attitude towards bus drivers. While we may find frustrating getting stuck behind a cyclist they, whether we like it or not, do have a right to use the public highway.
Here's a scenario that frequently happens. You are driving your bus along a single carriageway road that has a 40mph speed limit. Now ahead is a cyclist and on the opposite side of the road some parked cars which are causing a couple of on coming vehicles to move over towards the centre of the road. Also ahead is a bus stop, not an obviousl hazard to a non bus driver.
Now the best way to deal with this situation is to ease off the speed (and check them mirrors), allow the on coming vehicles to get clear of their obstructions. Before attempting to overtake the cyclist a quick glance of the passenger view mirror and the CCTV monitor is always good to ensure that no passengers are getting up and about to ring the bell for that bus stop, making it pointless in overtaking the cyclist. Checking both wing mirrors to ensure it's safe to over take, then give the cyclist a wide berth while passing, obviously giving them a quick check in the mirror while passing to make sure they haven't swerved under your wheels! Once you are passed the cyclist another glance in the mirrors to make sure you are well clear of the cyclist and then pull back in to the normal driving road position. That way everyone's happy, the cyclist has not been intimidated by a bloody great bus and the bus driver hasn't had them writing down the bus number and phoning in to complain that a bus nearly killed them!!
Hope, if nowt else, this serves to reassure Magnatom and any of his friends that joined like.
 

Cab

New Member
Location
Cambridge
Entirely reasonable, Nethalus.

If I were you, I'd avoid that bus site. From my reading of threads that mention cyclists, it isn't a site for reasonable people like you.
 
OP
OP
M

magnatom

Guest
Nethalus,

Yes thanks for that. As I have probably said a thousand times before, I have (and feel free to quote this) nothing but respect for other road users, and that includes bus drivers. As a cyclist I need to have respect as that is what keeps me safe. However, what I hate are cyclists, car drivers, bus drivers and pedestrians, who blatantly put the lives of others at risk on the roads, be it through ignorance or malice.

The vast majority of my interactions with buses are good. I often find that buses will hang back and if they overtake do so in a safe and controlled manor. When this happens I usually try and thank the driver by giving them with a wave, not because I have to, but because I think it is nice to reward good driving and it encourages more of it in the future.

However, what has really annoyed me about my experience on the bus forum, was the utter contempt that the vast majority of the users displayed towards me. You directed me over there (so I suppose I was invited) and yet when I tried to clarify a few points about some of the posts on their site I was flamed.

Random (who I suspect is wolverine?) has come over here and yes we don't agree with all of what he has said, but he has been treated by the majority of users here (if not all) with respect. Yes we may have a boring forum as someone on the bus forum said, but at least we generally respect other forum members (even the village idiots!)

Why was I flamed, I was flamed because I pointed out the illegality of some of the things that a couple of the members of that forum had boasted about doing, i.e seeing how close you could pass cyclists, intentionally opening the door of the bus so that the cyclist would fall in, and using the bus as a weapon to knock a cyclist off.

No-one on the forum appears to have the guts to stand up to people boasting about said actions, and that is the biggest difference between the forums. Here is someone boasted about intentionally knocking over pedestrians, for example, a lot of people would condemn that.

They really need to be careful about what they boast about as this is a public forum where they are representing a company (First Buses). I am sure that First would take a very very dim view of what is written there.

Please feel free to quote this message over on the bus forum if you wish. Personally I'm not posting there any more, as there is no point.
 

col

Legendary Member
Nethalus must be a bus driver,as this is what we,well most of us, do.But when Random came on here,it seemed that all our dislikes were directed at him as a bus driver,albeit in a more polite way,in most cases,about what happens to us as cyclists on the road.As i cycle too,i can understand why,but not to the extent of taking our bad experiences out on him.This seemed to be presicely what happened on the other forum with you Mag,except they were not as polite about it.Thats why i was trying to get across the generalisation that we make,they will have put you in with all the chav types who are just dangerous on the roads,as we it seemed,put Random in the same corner as the bad driver.As you found Mag,he found himself in a similar situation here.Instead of bombarding him with accusational questions,we should have been discussing the problems in the third party.I was only trying to bring it round to this,i failed miserably and ended up on the recieving end too.
 
Top Bottom