jefmcg
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That's not what is says.
Wie schwer kann der Pilot sein?
So 100kg, not 100kg minus the bike weight.
Edit; from now on, I'm not a cyclist, I am der Pilot.
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Wie schwer kann der Pilot sein?
So 100kg, not 100kg minus the bike weight.
Edit; from now on, I'm not a cyclist, I am der Pilot.
jefmcg
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Well, it's time to bin that P.O.S. bike. As has been established in this thread, the standard for budget bikes is 115kg load, and as Brompton recommend a total load of less than 110kg, it's obviously rubbish.
Edit: more seriously, if you weigh over 100kg, you need to think carefully about any folding bike, and I think stay away from budget models. None of the mainstream, quality manufacturers recommend much more than that. I started to do some checks, but then found this list at LFGSS which pretty well matches my knowledge.
If the high and middle manufacturers don't think their bikes can cope with much more than 100kg, do you really believe the cheap ones are doing better?
If someone wanted to carry more than 120kg on a folding bike, I'd send them to Bike Friday, but that would probably come to 10x the original price range.
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jgillich
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But frame strength correlates weight, right? And people like their bikes as light as possible. Just like there are no running clothes in 5XL, a limit around 110kg probably covers most people that would ever buy a high end folder.
jefmcg
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That's may be true of rigid bikes, but folding frames tend to fail (if they do) at the hinges.
jgillich
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I went to sign up for an account at Greenway, but their whole site including the login is not encrypted, which is just not OK for an e-commerce site in 2017. Sent them an email about this, let's see if they respond this time.
Also, Decathlon responded to my query about the weight limit for the Tilt 120 and 500:
Seems like bonzobanana was right. Or Decathlon doesn't really know either.
Also, Decathlon responded to my query about the weight limit for the Tilt 120 and 500:
Seems like bonzobanana was right. Or Decathlon doesn't really know either.
bonzobanana
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Just look at the manual supplied with the bike. Often they answer 100kg on the site but in the manual it clearly states 100kg minus the weight of the bike. If you look at the racing and mountain bikes again they state 100kg on the site but the btwin manual states 100kg minus bike weight. Surely the manual is the most likely document to be accurate rather than a sales person's response. That's how Decathlon calculate the load including the bike weight itself. I see little point trying to blur the information Decathlon supply in their manual. I just repeated their information if you want to argue Decathlon are wrong write to them and state the internet has decided your bikes have a different weight capacity.
bonzobanana
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Some of the smaller 16" wheel folders have lower weight capacities. My bicycles4u folder is 115kg, I also have a steel 20" budget folder which is 120kg. My mother has an aluminium dunlop folder from sports direct which is 120kg.
On ebay you can get folders with a weight capacity as low as 60kg. Many of the Argos folders are rated at 80kg it seems.
It doesn't have to be related to the frame sometimes you see a low spoke count on the wheels or thin weak looking single wall rims.
Performance folders from Tern and Dahon I think maybe about 95kg typically.
As a heavier rider I'm a bit obsessed with load capacity and always try to intervene when you get dangerous bike recommendations for people getting back into cycling who are unfit and overweight and clearly shouldn't be considering bikes with a low weight capacity which could be life threatening.
The Greenway bike has no information on weight capacity but clearly has strong double wall rims and they have paid for the extra reinforcing between seat tube and downtube with the extra welded aluminium section. So its clear they have made an effort to strengthen the bike but we can only estimate the weight capacity. However Btwin used to sell the same frame configuration without the frame strengthening, inferior drivetrain, single wall rims with a lower spoke count and that was rated to 85kg approx rider weight. So the Greenway has to got be surely over 100kg realistically I would of thought with all those upgrades.
On ebay you can get folders with a weight capacity as low as 60kg. Many of the Argos folders are rated at 80kg it seems.
It doesn't have to be related to the frame sometimes you see a low spoke count on the wheels or thin weak looking single wall rims.
Performance folders from Tern and Dahon I think maybe about 95kg typically.
As a heavier rider I'm a bit obsessed with load capacity and always try to intervene when you get dangerous bike recommendations for people getting back into cycling who are unfit and overweight and clearly shouldn't be considering bikes with a low weight capacity which could be life threatening.
The Greenway bike has no information on weight capacity but clearly has strong double wall rims and they have paid for the extra reinforcing between seat tube and downtube with the extra welded aluminium section. So its clear they have made an effort to strengthen the bike but we can only estimate the weight capacity. However Btwin used to sell the same frame configuration without the frame strengthening, inferior drivetrain, single wall rims with a lower spoke count and that was rated to 85kg approx rider weight. So the Greenway has to got be surely over 100kg realistically I would of thought with all those upgrades.
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jgillich
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I ordered the Greenway folder last Friday and it shipped the same day so I should be getting it soon, will post a review after a week or two.
I also found one more bike that uses the same or a extremely similar frame: The Dahon Mariner D7, rated at 105kg.
I also found one more bike that uses the same or a extremely similar frame: The Dahon Mariner D7, rated at 105kg.
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jgillich
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I know this is a bit of a gamble, but I think it's worth it. It might even use the frame of the Dahon Mariner, which is a bike with great reviews.
Can you link to the e-bike review? I didn't find anything.
bonzobanana
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I honestly don't think its much of a gamble but then I'm biased because I was the one recommending it. However even if 2 years later the frame had some issue you still have very good quality components you can move to another bike frame. However that is the very worst case scenerio which I'm sure won't happen.
Even if the bike itself is assembled at a different factory the frame looks likely to be a fuji-ta which is one of the most advanced bike factories on the planet that makes something like 17 million bikes per year including high end bikes for companies like Cannondale plus sells millions of aluminium frames to other bike manufacturers. This looks like one of fuji-ta's own frame designs so is well tested by a huge number of brands around the world and has some strength upgrades to it. One of the big positives of fuji-ta is their in-house painting process which is very good quality. Basically if you get a frame which has a great paint finish that is more difficult to chip then it's probably a bike fully manufactured by fuji-ta but if the paint chips easily but the frame is excellently welded and good quality its likely to be a OEM frame by fuji-ta sold to another bike manufacturer. This assumes its a fuji-ta frame in the first place of course but a huge number of brands buy from fuji-ta. Even bikes made in other countries of Asia can use fuji-ta aluminium frames from China. They are simply used because they are a very high quality certified product that can be exported to Europe and US easily. Much of the certification process is based around the frame and its strength so a decent frame enables any small factory to export bikes to major markets like Europe and the US.
jgillich
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I got the bike yesterday, initial impressions are pretty good. Putting it together was a PITA because the included manual is for a different bike, but everything seems sturdy and of good quality. The main folding mechanism tends to get stuck and may need some lube. Unfortunately I didn't get to ride it yet because DHL is keeping my pump hostage, so I can't say too much about the main function of the bike.
jgillich
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[QUOTE 4946022, member: 45"]So it just came in a box part-assembled and not PDI'd? I'm interested to know how Greenway work. Some "manufacturers" are just a redirection depot for boxes of bikes they ship in from the Far East and straight out to the customer. Was there much written on the box?[/QUOTE]
The box, bike and manual all have Greenway's branding, so they're certainly doing more than just reselling China bikes.
Mostly put together, had a friend come over with some proper tools after that:
Crappy picture quality I know, I really have to replace my OnePlus One.
The box, bike and manual all have Greenway's branding, so they're certainly doing more than just reselling China bikes.
Mostly put together, had a friend come over with some proper tools after that:
Crappy picture quality I know, I really have to replace my OnePlus One.
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jgillich
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[QUOTE 4946130, member: 45"]I think the fork is backwards. The brakes should be at the front.[/QUOTE]
Yea that picture was from before my friend came over to help (did I already mention I know nothing about bikes?), thankfully he noticed that one as well. Also had to adjust the brakes and a few other things, but I guess that's nothing out of the ordinary. Here's a current picture:
Yea that picture was from before my friend came over to help (did I already mention I know nothing about bikes?), thankfully he noticed that one as well. Also had to adjust the brakes and a few other things, but I guess that's nothing out of the ordinary. Here's a current picture:
bonzobanana
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Greenway is the brand itself, it is Chinese. Greenway are just box shifters importing and selling directly their own bikes I believe. This is why the price is so competitive. The descriptions are poor because english isn't their first language. I have no problem with this myself.
http://www.gzgreenwaybike.com/product/folding/
The spec may be different on the Chinese site but I'm sure you can see the connection.
The bike looks absolutely fantastic for that money except the saddle which looks very uncomfortable to me but that's my preference. Considering the junk bikes you get for that sort of money with horrible tourney gearing or even worse on some like the Btwin tilt model which are sub Shimano.
Sadly looking at the other Greenway bikes many of the decent ones have disappeared and been replaced by much inferior models and it might be the case with this one. It's a bargain while the stock of this one lasts but don't be surprised if it gets replaced with something horrible for £180. Like the same actual frame but the wheels replaced with single rim cheapies and the drivetrain dropped to a Shimano freewheel and tourney derailleur. Maybe they launched with bargain bikes to build up their reputation and then changed to more realistic spec models for the price later.
What actual weight is the bike?
What make and model are the hubs?
Can't see any frame manufacturing going on on this web page.
http://www.gzgreenwaybike.com/bicycle_factory.html
So looks like they are buying in bare metal or primed welded frames and painting them themselves and then assembling the bikes. Typical of a small to medium size chinese bike factory who exports. They likely do little or no testing themselves but buy in a fully certified and high quality fuji-ta frame.
http://www.gzgreenwaybike.com/product/folding/
The spec may be different on the Chinese site but I'm sure you can see the connection.
The bike looks absolutely fantastic for that money except the saddle which looks very uncomfortable to me but that's my preference. Considering the junk bikes you get for that sort of money with horrible tourney gearing or even worse on some like the Btwin tilt model which are sub Shimano.
Sadly looking at the other Greenway bikes many of the decent ones have disappeared and been replaced by much inferior models and it might be the case with this one. It's a bargain while the stock of this one lasts but don't be surprised if it gets replaced with something horrible for £180. Like the same actual frame but the wheels replaced with single rim cheapies and the drivetrain dropped to a Shimano freewheel and tourney derailleur. Maybe they launched with bargain bikes to build up their reputation and then changed to more realistic spec models for the price later.
What actual weight is the bike?
What make and model are the hubs?
Can't see any frame manufacturing going on on this web page.
http://www.gzgreenwaybike.com/bicycle_factory.html
So looks like they are buying in bare metal or primed welded frames and painting them themselves and then assembling the bikes. Typical of a small to medium size chinese bike factory who exports. They likely do little or no testing themselves but buy in a fully certified and high quality fuji-ta frame.
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