British sense of humour

[Blue Hills]

No, but as someone here said to me, an National Socialist Germany winning the war would have ultimately been worse for everyone

Imagine the Holocaust continuing because the camps were not liberated, decades of atrocities in Europe and gradual acceptance of antisemitism, which was present all over Europe. Ultimately the destruction of the Third Reich and Götterdammerung would have happened, maybe a generation later after many more millions of "undesirables" had been slaughtered, but it would have come; very few nations survive the fall of their empire.

(This is speculation, but a generation later and after decades of Faschism, would there have been men like Schumann and Brandt to work for forgiveness and reconciliation, or would a ruined Europe have been squabbling over the remains and easy pickings for a communist takeover?)

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Rather exposes the myth that British opposition was total.
Also shines a very powerful searchlight on the way the British justice system was very heavily influenced by class on this issue.
Britain can be rightly proud of its stance in WW2, but the full picture is rather murky.

 

[Andy in Germany]

I think @Andy in Germany was referring to the longer term. Tis true that in the immediate inter war years things were somewhat problematical. At the risk of getting serious, it's my understanding that certain aspects, particularly the holocaust and what many folks actually got up to, didn't start to be addressed until the 60s. i mean, how the fark do you sweep something like that under a polite carpet? Also, Marlene Dietrich I think remained unpopular in Germany for many years post-war - seen by many as a traitor/deserter/off message.

By the by, the german woman I referred to upthread had a good German joke on that burying/glossing of history.

There was a good german film about these "secrets" made years ago - english title "the naughty girl" I think.

On balance though, I'd say the Italians trump the Germans at that. By a long way.

I was thinking long term, mind you by the end most people viewed it as a liberation, at least if it wasn't the Russians who got there first: the worst was over and there was food.

Equally, people outside of Germany don't realise that almost every town in Germany had a concentration camp, to keep the locals in line.

Rebuilding the country took generations, and it wasn't 100%; it never could be. However it was continuous; over the last few years a new initiative started and there are now bronze cobbles in the street in front of houses where Holocaust victims lived, and in some case in front of the old concentration camps. they're known as Stolpersteine or "tripping stones".

Last I hear Bavaria wasn't joining in, causing lots of protests.

 

[Blue Hills]

On the brit humour thing, it is of course undoubtedly true that northerners are funnier.
Peter Kay is a genius - two folk sat in a small car - prog must have cost bugger all - but the humour and humanity in that prog is priceless.

 

[Andy in Germany]

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Rather exposes the myth that British opposition was total.
Also shines a very powerful searchlight on the way the British justice system was very heavily influenced by class on this issue.
Britain can be rightly proud of its stance in WW2, but the full picture is rather murky.

Thanks for that. I'll order a copy for my dad for Christmas... and then read it when I go to visit...

 

[Blue Hills]

I was thinking long term, mind you by the end most people viewed it as a liberation, at least if it wasn't the Russians who got there first: at least the worst was over and there was food. People don't realise that almost every town in Germany had a concentration camp, to keep the locals in line.

Rebuilding the country took generations, and it wasn't 100%; it never could be. However it was continuous; over the last few years a new initiate started and there are now bronze cobbles in the street in front of houses where Holocaust victims lives, and in some case in front of the old concentration camps. they're known as Stolpersteine or "tripping stones".

Last I hear Bavaria wasn't joining in, causing lots of protests.

yes I know about the Stolpersteine - wonderful initiative.
I had reason to mention it once when in Italy.

 

[Blue Hills]

Thanks for that. I'll order a copy for my dad for Christmas... and then read it when I go to visit...

cheapskate

actually I got my copy for free as an ebook from a lancashire library - maybe you can sign up?

 

[Andy in Germany]

cheapskate

actually I got my copy for free as an ebook from a lancashire library - maybe you can sign up?

Well, I am half Yorkshire... And Swabia, where I used to live in Germany has a reputation that translates as "Yorkshiremen with the generosity squeezed out..."

 

[stephec]

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Rather exposes the myth that British opposition was total.
Also shines a very powerful searchlight on the way the British justice system was very heavily influenced by class on this issue.
Britain can be rightly proud of its stance in WW2, but the full picture is rather murky.

That's a good book, I got it for something like £4.00 from The Works.

 

[Reynard]

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Rather exposes the myth that British opposition was total.
Also shines a very powerful searchlight on the way the British justice system was very heavily influenced by class on this issue.
Britain can be rightly proud of its stance in WW2, but the full picture is rather murky.

I'll have a look out for that as well. Mum will enjoy reading that. The picture is always rather murky. Either on this issue or others, it tends to be a sliding scale rather than purely binary.

In other news...

A dyslexic man walks into a bra.

 

[StuAff]

I think @Andy in Germany


There was a good german film about these "secrets" made years ago - english title "the naughty girl" I think.

The Nasty Girl, made in 1990. Great film. The real Anna Rosmus emigrated to the US after years of harassment over her work.

 

[lazybloke]

On the brit humour thing, it is of course undoubtedly true that northerners are funnier.
Peter Kay is a genius - two folk sat in a small car - prog must have cost bugger all - but the humour and humanity in that prog is priceless.

Quite liked car share. It's his stand up that does little for me.

 

[lazybloke]

Quite liked car share. It's his stand up that does little for me.

Edit: but Sarah Millican is brilliant, so there's a bit more nuance than just north vs south.

 

[Blue Hills]

The Nasty Girl, made in 1990. Great film. The real Anna Rosmus emigrated to the US after years of harassment over her work.

ah thanks - it does make clear that many germans took a long long time to start to address issues.

on a lighter note, as I recall the poster had a statue of a nubile young woman. I managed to persuade a friend of mine (well more lead him on/helped with his preconceptions/hopes) somewhat less into interesting foreign films than me that he would be treated to some interesting foreign muck.

 

[matticus]

so there's a bit more nuance than just north vs south.

Fair point - I did once meet a northerner without a chip on his shoulder.

 

[Drago]

Ha! Most northerners are actually soft Southerners once you've looked on a map.