Bradley Wiggins calls for safer cycling laws and compulsory helmets

[Red Light]

We are discussing actual laws which people are legally bound to abide by - not proposals

Post up what you have

You said "no laws being tabled" clearly unaware that there have been multiple attempts to table laws or get them in as amendments to other laws going through. And they were for laws people would be legally bound to abide by. Yet again you argue from a position of ignorance.

 

[benb]

Cyclists in the UK only have to live with the call for head protection. Motorcyclists do not have a choice over wearing them.

You are bleating about nothing as no laws are being tabled or enforced on you as a cyclist.

We are constantly having to justify and defend our choice not to wear one, and many sportives and even some training courses state helmets are mandatory to attend.

And you utterly failed to address my other points. I wonder why?
Try again:

There's simply no getting around the fact that the risk of head injuries on a bicycle is broadly similar to the risk as a pedestrian. That is, they are both low risk activities. There are plenty of low risk activities where we do not feel that the inconvenience of wearing protective equipment is worth the tiny increase in safety. I don't go along with the "just one life saved" rhetoric.

Yet only one group has to constantly justify and fight for their choice not to wear a helmet, which in any case has no evidence that it is effective in reducing serious head injuries.

There is no logically consistent argument in favour of helmets for cyclists that cannot also be applied to pedestrians.

 

[Linford]

You said "no laws being tabled" clearly unaware that there have been multiple attempts to table laws or get them in as amendments to other laws going through. And they were for laws people would be legally bound to abide by. Yet again you argue from a position of ignorance.

Post them up if you have the answers (put up or shut up)

 

[Linford]

We are constantly having to justify and defend our choice not to wear one, and many sportives and even some training courses state helmets are mandatory to attend.

And you utterly failed to address my other points. I wonder why?
Try again:

There's simply no getting around the fact that the risk of head injuries on a bicycle is broadly similar to the risk as a pedestrian. That is, they are both low risk activities. There are plenty of low risk activities where we do not feel that the inconvenience of wearing protective equipment is worth the tiny increase in safety. I don't go along with the "just one life saved" rhetoric.

Yet only one group has to constantly justify and fight for their choice not to wear a helmet, which in any case has no evidence that it is effective in reducing serious head injuries.

There is no logically consistent argument in favour of helmets for cyclists that cannot also be applied to pedestrians.

Are you implying that the risks do not become elevated whilst taking part in sportives ?

they obviously don't want their rep damaged by fcukwits who think they know better

 

[benb]

Are you implying that the risks do not become elevated whilst taking part in sportives ?

I'm not saying they are higher or lower.

And the rest of the points? I've noticed you have an extremely annoying habit of picking one small part of someone's post and ignoring the rest.

 

[Linford]

I'm not saying they are higher or lower.
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but you object anyway ?

 

[theclaud]

I'm not saying they are higher or lower.

And the rest of the points? I've noticed you have an extremely annoying habit of picking one small part of someone's post and ignoring the rest.

Linf's entire Cyclechat activity is one big annoying habit. It's because he doesn't really approve of cycling.

 

[Linford]

Linf's entire Cyclechat activity is one big annoying habit. It's because he doesn't really approve of cycling.

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth Claudine

 

[benb]

but you object anyway ?

I'm using it as an example of compulsion.

Are you going to address my other points?

 

[benb]

Are you implying that the risks do not become elevated whilst taking part in sportives ?

they obviously don't want their rep damaged by fcukwits who think they know better

So are you saying that people who don't wear a helmet are f*ckwits?

 

[StuartG]

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth Claudine

Correction. It was you who put the words there. Soldering iron please ...

 

[theclaud]

I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth Claudine

Your oeuvre is sufficiently incoherent that it forces us to fill in the gaps. That's probably why we like you even though you're so annoying. It would be trolling if there weren't something so needy about it - you seem drawn to that which you fear. You're a compulsive anti-cyclist. It's not a conclusion I've rushed to...

 

[Linford]

And because he really is a bit of a low grade troll.

You wouldn't say that if I were arguing in favour of your preference.
Do I believe that quality head protection will save lives - absolutely 100%
Do I favour orconsider what is currently on offer to be this - no I don't
Would I like to see an improvement in the standard of hat for cyclists yes I would

I am asking for better standards in protection for cyclists as a group.

Does that make me a troll, or you and the others getting all shouty for wanting to deny other people who cycle that opportunity ?

 

[Red Light]

Post them up if you have the answers (put up or shut up)

Fantastic. Can we take that as you are now going to shut up since you have avoided putting up throughout this whole thread?


Protective Headgear for Young Cyclists Bill (2004), Bicycles (Children's Safety Helmets) Bill (2006-7), Cycles (Protective Headgear for Children) Bill (2011) and Amendment 160 to the Road Safety Bill (2005) to name just some examples. Do you not get at all embarrassed about being so blatantly and obviously wrong so often?

 

[david k]

One can only admire your optimism. Have you considered though that, all the time you are prepared to buy existing cycle helmets, there is no great pressure on manufacturers to make the ones you dream of. You should join the boycott to achieve your aims.

really? havnt motorcycle helmets improved whilst being bought? i pretty sure it hasnt taken a boycott to improve many things