Accy cyclist
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- The hills of Accrington
Why did he say she died at the scene, if he knows it's a fact she died in hospital a few days later?
Bike under lorry at Ludgate Circus - Again
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Why did he say she died at the scene, if he knows it's a fact she died in hospital a few days later?
Origamist
Legendary Member
Her heart stopped beating at the scene and the paramedics/Doctor pumped her heart by hand - perhaps he was led away and that created some confusion. However, it really does highlight how little he recalls of the event (apart from his clear recollection that he checked his mirror 5 or 6 times before turning left).
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deptfordmarmoset
Full time tea drinker
- Location
- Armonmy Way
While he wasn't stopped at red.
Origamist
Legendary Member
Racing roadkill
Guru
Sadly, that doesn't surprise me.
growingvegetables
Guru
- Location
- Leeds
Awful.
Origamist
Legendary Member
Yes, this was mentioned upthread. It remains unclear if they are the same person.
simonsch
Senior Member
Sorry, missed that. Hopefully we will find out.
glenn forger
Guest
Is it a lane or not? It makes no sense, the argument spirals up into nothing. There's a cycle lane. The cyclist did nothing wrong. Ffs cyclists get enough grief about using cycle lanes. So Janina was using the cycle lane. It's a lane. The clue's in the name. She was in her lane and the driver turned across her and the legal system says "Ah, you see it isn't a lane. She might have been confused with Germany". It is a lane. Janina had priority. If I'm in a lane to the right of a driver in his lane and I turn left and hit the car it's my fault. Obviously. This makes no sense. It suggests cycle lanes should be ignored.
growingvegetables
Guru
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- Leeds
Origamist
Legendary Member
Whilst it is uncorroborated and hardly compelling evidence, the girlfriend of Reidar 'Danny' Farr who was killed by a HGV driven by a Vincent Doyle in 1999 stated here: http://www.dccourier.com/messengers/lbma_list_2004/msg00107.html that Vincent Doyle had only had a HGV licence for 4 months at the time of the fatality. This does not tally with the recent accounts in the papers where it is said stated that the Vincent Doyle who killed Janina Gelau in 2014 had held a HGV licence for 25 years.
If they are one in the same, I cannot imagine why, in the 2016 trial, it would be mentioned that he had an "unblemished driving record".
steveindenmark
Legendary Member
I think we can maybe discount the girlfriends 'evidence'. She does not appear to know much about anything.
benborp
Guru
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- further from Penge
@Origamist there are different reports as to how long Doyle held a licence.
The reporting itself is imprecise and the reported testimony i.e. "Doyle said he had held a spotless driving licence for 20 years and had begun riding a tractor from the age of 14." could be very specifically worded to give a favourable impression.
It would be unusual but not impossible for a driver of Doyle's age to obtain an HGV licence prior to what was then the minimum age of 21.
The reporting itself is imprecise and the reported testimony i.e. "Doyle said he had held a spotless driving licence for 20 years and had begun riding a tractor from the age of 14." could be very specifically worded to give a favourable impression.
It would be unusual but not impossible for a driver of Doyle's age to obtain an HGV licence prior to what was then the minimum age of 21.
