Big ring vs little ring

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jowwy

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Thats like saying the friction caused from a slight brake block rub has no reference - all friction is relevant no matter how minimal.........

i always find my cadence better in the middle 39 ring and using the full rear cassette.....but then again i do have a 52 tooth big ring, which is awesome when on flatish rolling terrain
 

Citius

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minimal friction has minimal relevance.
 

Venod

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Back when 52/42 was the common chainring choice with a 13-28 freewheel, most people on a club run would be in 52-19 rather than 42-15, I suspect this was more to do with chainline than thinking about friction losses, but the result would be less friction.
 

Citius

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I suspect this was more to do with chainline than thinking about friction losses, but the result would be less friction.

Chainline is all about minimising friction losses (and being kinder to the chain) in any case, so you're kind of arguing against yourself there. Anyway, as above, friction losses even from cross-chaining can be filed in the 'minimal' category.
 

Venod

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A minimal one. Have you ever weighed your valve caps? Well, it's less of an issue than that.

Have you read the article I linked to in post #4, its suggested that by using bigger sprockets a 6 sec advantage is possible over 25 miles, not so minimal compared to the fration of a second penalty picked up by the extra weight of the sprockets over the same 25 miles.
 
Have you read the article I linked to in post #4, its suggested that by using bigger sprockets a 6 sec advantage is possible over 25 miles, not so minimal compared to the fration of a second penalty picked up by the extra weight of the sprockets over the same 25 miles.
Unless you are riding a 25 mile TT that is completely irrelevant.
 

Venod

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Unless you are riding a 25 mile TT that is completely irrelevant.

It is completely relevant to the OP, it shows using bigger sprockets as opposed to smaller sprockets for the same gear ratio causes less friction.
 

Citius

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Have you read the article I linked to in post #4, its suggested that by using bigger sprockets a 6 sec advantage is possible over 25 miles, not so minimal compared to the fration of a second penalty picked up by the extra weight of the sprockets over the same 25 miles.

That's not relevant to chainline. I think it's already accepted that big/big combinations are more mechanically efficient that the equivalent small/small.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
Who?what? And how do you measure the relevance...........and on whos scale of irrelevant is the irrevelance measured

As one persons irrelevant maybe another persons relevant...........
 
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berty bassett

berty bassett

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Thank you for all responces - i read the article and willing to accept that if i was an athelete then it would make quite a difference as if i was the same time as another athelete the last time i raced , i would be six seconds faster using correct gearing - a difference of gold or silver if it was the olymics so quite relevant !
how ever i am not a budding olympian and should shut up and peddle ! maybe good advice for some others who seem to be living proof that it is possible to have an argument in an empty room !
 

blackgoff

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When I'm in the big ring - 53 - I'm really shifting... mostly I'm in the 42 tho I'm thinking of putting on a 39/50 and trying that re: spinning LOTS lol
 
The advent of the 34 inner chainring coincided with the new mamils who could ride a bike reasonably well on the flat but not so well when the road went in an upward direction. Bike manufacturers spotted an opportunity to supply a mechanism that would, in one fell swoop solve the problem of both making a cheaper chainset by losing the granny ring on the triple, yet at the same time allowing the newbie [in the male case] to still feel macho because they're riding a "double" and not a perceived softy triple. Many of these new cyclists have a 28 cog or more on the rear which in effect of course is a granny gear when coupled with the 34 chainring. Nothing wrong with that, but, and it is a big but, the new compact that was now becoming ubiquitous on road bikes was causing it's own problems, namely the big drop from 50 to 34 resulting in a lot of cross chaining. Watch any sportive and you will see riders in 50x28.
Things are beginning to change, 50/36 is becoming more common which is fractionally better but personally I prefer 52/42 on a double [as others have said]. The triple is really no more difficult to set up and provides a better [imo] riding experience because 90% is done in the middle chainring. Added to this you can easily tailor the chainring sizes to fit your ability.
There is a whole generation out there who think the compact chainset is normal and consequently have never ridden anything else.
 
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