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What else are tests for!
Stig-OT-Dump
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There was the Pantani test.
'Where did you put the coke Marco?'
A similar test was still being used at bunga bunga parties quite recently, allegedly. They weren't putting blood samples into centrifuges over the same weekend though.
Sorry, I digressed a bit there.
'Where did you put the coke Marco?'
A similar test was still being used at bunga bunga parties quite recently, allegedly. They weren't putting blood samples into centrifuges over the same weekend though.
Sorry, I digressed a bit there.
lukesdad
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What, like the whole LA myth? Please do read what Yello posted about the 'most tested' lie. As someone else said, he isn't even the most tested American called Armstrong.
I allways read yellos posts... its usually informed and balanced. The LA myth ? Its no myth its fact. You can preach as much as you like. I'm interested in " The team mates" who they are and what they ve got to say. You ve brought nothing new to the table, other than, I think........
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<sigh> Read this http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/07/the-legend-of-the-500/ and then tell me that I'm just a jealous hater...I allways read yellos posts... its usually informed and balanced. The LA myth ? Its no myth its fact. You can preach as much as you like. I'm interested in " The team mates" who they are and what they ve got to say. You ve brought nothing new to the table, other than, I think........
Chuffy
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Hey, Lukesdad! Think you missed this one...
lukesdad
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Not at all. So you've diluted " the whole LA myth" to, the amount of times he claims he s been tested ?( Big Tex will probably count routine hospital one s as well
)The results of the tests are common knowledge, as is the argument to how reliable they are.
The interesting part ( for me ) is the "Team mates evidence" that i want to hear !
Chuffy
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I sense goalposts being shifted....Not at all. So you've diluted " the whole LA myth" to, the amount of times he claims he s been tested ?( Big Tex will probably count routine hospital one s as well
The results of the tests are common knowledge, as is the argument to how reliable they are.
The interesting part ( for me ) is the "Team mates evidence" that i want to hear !
lukesdad
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Really, In what way ?
Chuffy
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The "most tested" line is hugely important - it's been a cornerstone of his defence (usually by his army of yellow ribboners) and it has been comprehensively debunked and revealed as a flat lie. You can't just side-step that.
I suspect this is he or isn't he debate will all be found to be a waste of time within a short time.
Looking at attempts to discredit USADA, bring legal action against USADA and then getting a tame senator to question USADAs prosecution/persecution of him leaves me with an absolute certainty in my mind that he knows his numbers up.
I have gone through the full range on LA from initially being a fan when he was riding, through becoming convinced that the sheer quantity of circumstantial evidence made him guilty, through to prosecute him and then reaching the point of thinking it was all just water on the bridge and there was no point prosecuting?
Once this latest piece came out I am back to thinking sod it, if it destroys the record books then so be it, although who ends up being awarded the win will be evn more controversial.
For me, the federal investigation must have brought some ex team mates to their senses when they suddenly realised they could be facing up to time in a federal prison and at that point they have begun to talk. One that was known his number was up and hence the desperation.
Weird thing is, if he hadn't come back he might not be in this position, but now the genie is out of the bottle lets see where it ends up.
Looking at attempts to discredit USADA, bring legal action against USADA and then getting a tame senator to question USADAs prosecution/persecution of him leaves me with an absolute certainty in my mind that he knows his numbers up.
I have gone through the full range on LA from initially being a fan when he was riding, through becoming convinced that the sheer quantity of circumstantial evidence made him guilty, through to prosecute him and then reaching the point of thinking it was all just water on the bridge and there was no point prosecuting?
Once this latest piece came out I am back to thinking sod it, if it destroys the record books then so be it, although who ends up being awarded the win will be evn more controversial.
For me, the federal investigation must have brought some ex team mates to their senses when they suddenly realised they could be facing up to time in a federal prison and at that point they have begun to talk. One that was known his number was up and hence the desperation.
Weird thing is, if he hadn't come back he might not be in this position, but now the genie is out of the bottle lets see where it ends up.
lukesdad
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... but you ve fallen for the same smokescreen (trap) whether its 250 or 500 tests is irrelevant, its the results that are important and their realiability/interpretation/action taken. The whole saga has been diluted and you are contributing to it by going after the yellow ribboners.
Chuffy
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Really?! The whole 'most tested athlete' thing is the smokescreen! No. Team Armstrong has consistently lied about the number of tests and being most tested athlete, for years. The yellow ribboners have just helped by spreading the lie. I'm not interested in them, they just get a passing mention, no more.
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