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It has ironic parallels. The "pre-trial legal wrangling between Armstrong's lawyers Schillings and the Sunday Times - including a row over whether an initial hearing to decide the meaning of the article should be heard by a judge or a jury which went all the way to the Court of Appeal" a bit like the Sparks hearing and then "Following that ruling, The Sunday Times opted to settle the case" a bit like Armstrong deciding not to contest. So presumably the Sunday Times doesn't have a leg to stand on since it conceded rather than go through the Courts.
It didn't go through the courts because it would have lost due to the lack of evidence at the time. However, if there are now eye witness statements from former team-mates and possibly additional evidence it alters the balance somewhat.
 
Not sure how olympic medals in a single one off games (five of them were on the track in particular) shows a big interest in cycling. The US won no olympic medals in 1980 (obviously) and 1976 and 1972 and infact you have to go back to the very early days of the olympics in 1912 before you find another US olympic cycling medal winner. Nor did they follow the success of their home games up with just 1 medal in 1988. Of course your argument in a sense is dishonest as I suspect you know perfectly well that the countries that boycotted the 1984 games were traditionally decent cycling countries in the 70s at the olympics. Funnily enough by amazing coincidence the US's number of medals shrank back down in 1988, I wonder why :whistle: . Then in 1992 at the olympics the medals have followed a different pattern. Apart from that the 1984 US cycling team is famous for doping.

Apart from that the idea that olympic medals means interest in (track) cycling is not something I see. If that had applied here in the past we'd be sorted.

WTf are you talking about? The only point I'm trying to make is that people in the US had actually heard of and ridden bicycles before Armstrong came along...nothing more. The minutiae of olympic medal wins is irrelevant other than to prove the point that Americans were performing comparitively well on bicycles before the emergence of the aforementioned super hero....
 
I must be missing something here ? A US agency is to determine how many times a rider has one the TDF depending on what he tells them ?

Its getting to have so many parallels with one of the shameful pieces of US history, the House Committee on Un-American Activities "cleansing" of the movie industry in which people were encouraged to name their friends as being communist sympathisers in return for more lenient treatment of their own alleged communist activities. Those that refused to "co-operate" by confessing and naming others had their lives and careers ruined.
 
Its getting to have so many parallels with one of the shameful pieces of US history, the House Committee on Un-American Activities "cleansing" of the movie industry in which people were encouraged to name their friends as being communist sympathisers in return for more lenient treatment of their own alleged communist activities. Those that refused to "co-operate" by confessing and naming others had their lives and careers ruined.

do you really think that - or are you exaggerating for comic effect...?
 

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It didn't go through the courts because it would have lost due to the lack of evidence at the time. However, if there are now eye witness statements from former team-mates and possibly additional evidence it alters the balance somewhat.
Are you referring to the FBI case ? I was listening to the velocast I linked to above and it's actually pretty good at going through the case against LA, and there's stuff I hadn't really heard before like the 6 retrospective tests of LA's blood that tested positive for EPO, like stuff on Carmichael blah blah blah. Anyway, re the FBI case, the podcasters say it is a matter of fact that the FBI really wanted to continue with the case and it was only shut down because there was a lot of political pressure and a particular US senator forcibly closed it off.
Apparently it is not at all clear there was the lack of evidence for a criminal conviction.
 
WTf are you talking about? The only point I'm trying to make is that people in the US had actually heard of and ridden bicycles before Armstrong came along...nothing more. The minutiae of olympic medal wins is irrelevant other than to prove the point that Americans were performing comparitively well on bicycles before the emergence of the aforementioned super hero....

As the editor of one of the US cycling magazines said, before Armstrong the market wouldn't support even one road cycling magazine. Now it supports four.
 
Are you referring to the FBI case ? I was listening to the velocast I linked to above and it's actually pretty good at going through the case against LA, and there's stuff I hadn't really heard before like the 6 retrospective tests of LA's blood that tested positive for EPO, like stuff on Carmichael blah blah blah. Anyway, re the FBI case, the podcasters say it is a matter of fact that the FBI really wanted to continue with the case and it was only shut down because there was a lot of political pressure and a particular US senator forcibly closed it off.
Apparently it is not at all clear there was the lack of evidence for a criminal conviction.

Isn't it wonderful how speculation, rumour and innuendo fills the vacuum created by a lack of the real information.
 
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