Are we over-reacting - would you buy this house?

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rogerzilla

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House is beautiful, has 1.5 acres. At an early stage I downloaded the title from HMLR and saw a covenant that it can't be sold without permission from three members of the xxxx family, who sold it to the current owners/vendors in 2017. I asked the agent to find out from the vendor why this covenant was there.

The agent never did find out but we realised one of the vendors' maiden names was the same as the three people named in the deeds, so assumed it was an interfamily sale at a reduced price and it was to stop them flipping it. We made it clear that this covenant had to go (deed of release) when making our offer.

The vendors took six weeks to instruct solicitors. Last Thursday our solicitor received the full deeds and found the covenant is there so the three named people, who are not actually related to the vendors, can make any successor in title sign up to a particularly greedy (and appallingly drafted) overage agreement lasting until 2052. The vendors hadn't told the agent anything about this, which is verging on fraud since it materially affects the desirability and value of the house - it's just about unmortgageable, for a start (we're cash buyers).

We're not that bothered about the overage, as the land will be developed over our dead bodies, but we have told the agent that we are not buying the house with the "permission to sell" requirement in place. It will be extemely hard to trace all three of the greedy beneficiaries. It only takes one to be difficult/senile with no PoA, and the house is effectively valueless as it can't be sold.

We are doing the sensible thing, aren't we? It transpires the vendors also vacillated before buying it and did so against expert legal advice (the advising solicitor suggested many changes to the then-new overage agreement, which were never made).

The chances of the beneficiaries agreeing to waive their rights and release the owners from the covenant are, we think, zero.
 

Drago

Legendary Member
I wouldn't.

With so many millions of houses for sale nationally why risk even the teensiest bit of hassle? Just move on to the next.
 

robjh

Legendary Member
I wouldn't touch it with that covenant in place. It gives a third party an unjustified control over what you do with your property, and will present you with just the same difficulties with a new buyer when you eventually move on.
I've just had months of delay and extra cost selling a property due to wrangling over an existing right of way which in reality had very little impact, but your case sounds like it could materially affect you in future and potentially tie you up in all sorts of complications at selling time.

Also - this covenant is likely to alarm any buyer of that property. If the vendors are serious about selling, they will have to get it changed. I know that may be tough on them, but, having just been through similar on a much smaller scale, that's just the way it is.
 
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rogerzilla

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I'm quite angry at the vendor and agent since we have had a level 3 survey done, had four roofers and a builder out to look at it, and incurred hundreds in legal fees. My SO is considering suing them since we have proof the vendors were well aware of this and concealed it. Caveat emptor no longer applies to buying property.

Also - our sales are ready to exchange so there is no time left for legal faffage, even if the vendors want to try and overturn the covenant. We are looking for other, chain-free, houses as a matter of urgency.
 
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Alex321

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Location
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I'm quite angry at the vendor and agent since we have had a level 3 survey done, had four roofers and a builder out to look at it, and incurred hundreds in legal fees. My SO is considering suing them since we have proof the vendors were well aware of this and concealed it. Caveat emptor no longer applies to buying property.

I wouldn't touch that with the proverbial bargepole. Even an extra long one.

And yes, I agree that trying to sell with that in place without being up front about it is deceitful to say the least, and could well be fraud.

Also - our sales are ready to exchange so there is no time left for legal faffage, even if the vendors want to try and overturn the covenant. We are looking for other, chain-free, houses as a matter of urgency.

We rented for a few months between selling our previous house and buying the current one, so that we wouldn't be forced into something we didn't really want because of pressure from our buyers. As it turned out, that rental was for several months longer than anticipated, due to the first lockdown hitting when we should have been about 10 days away from completion.
 

Gunk

Guru
Location
Oxford
Also - our sales are ready to exchange so there is no time left for legal faffage

just pull out of your sale, why put yourself under pressure and end up making a huge mistake?
 

Gunk

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Location
Oxford

steveindenmark

Legendary Member
This is something that happens in Italy. You see plenty of houses standing empty because of covanents like this. All it needs is one family member to fall out with the others or just disagree with them and they can block a sale forever.

If I am buying a house it is my choice what I do with it in the future
 
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rogerzilla

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This should have been disclosed by the agent in the marketing material, it is a material fact. Non disclosure is a criminal offence.

https://www.nationaltradingstandards.uk/uploads/Material Information in Property Listings (Sales) v1.0.pdf
Thanks. It's all evidenced (original property listing, email from me to agent asking them to find out why the covenant was there, emails between the vendors and their solicitor in 2017 discussing the overage). It's grossly negligent even if it isn't deliberately deceptive.
 
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rogerzilla

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just pull out of your sale, why put yourself under pressure and end up making a huge mistake?
Hard to explain without going into detail, but one of the sales is a once-in-a-lifetime, get-out-of-jail-free opportunity. It's an ex-council flat in an unattractive block and the council themselves are buying it back for an extremely generous price. No leasehold pack needed (they're the freeholder), no need to tart the place up for sale, flexible moving date.
 

Gillstay

Veteran
We bought our house just before COVID and were surprised to find almost everyone lied at some point. Solicitors, buyers several times, and estate agents. Never had that before despite it being in the country and a simple sale. So I would be very wary now.
 
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