Agoraphobia

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Accy cyclist

Legendary Member
I'd say they are still fairly busy here around that time. Best time to go out I find is about 1am :smile:.

The latest i've been out is from about 10.30 to 12.30am. I'll see about 95% fewer cars in that time than i would if it was pm! Cars are easier to see, hear and anticipate when it's dark and quiet and even the taxis that pass seem to give you more passing space than in the daytime,they even indicate when passing or at roundabouts etc!!:ohmy: ;)
 

the_mikey

Legendary Member
When I get the chance a short ride often helps, it doesn't have to be far, I often get quick 7km ride in on some evenings down a local cycle path, and it's enough to change my perspective a bit. I suffer with OCD and social phobia! So even when I avoid doing something, I'm still plagued with horrible thoughts.
 
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steve30

steve30

Veteran
Pleased to say I went to college and back again on the bike today. First time I've been out any reasonable distance as I had a few weeks away from the bike due to having surgery as well as other things. It took ages and I'm absolutely knackered. I feel good for moving around though. Being confined to one space really sucks.
 

BigonaBianchi

Yes I can, Yes I am, Yes I did...Repeat.
I wont go into th ereasons why on here but I had serious anxiety attacks...and i mean serious. I understand what it feels like to be paralyzed by fear, to have that fear stop you doing anything...literally anything. The docs will happily get you addicted to diazepan just to get rid of you, DONT TAKE it, it is a horrible drug to get off of when you are up on high doses.

Beating the fear requires undertanding what it is and what it isnt. It is a chemical reaction to a thought, often triggered by a past event. It isnt necessarily a reaction to a real a nd immediate danger.

I found myself shaking in fear on rides, especially as I got further away from my 'safe place'. It restricted all aspects of my life until I decided I was no longer going to tolerate it anymore.

I decided to distract my mind 100% of the time, get involved in activities that made my mind think outside of it's usual parameters. For example I would stop riding regular loops I knew well and go get deliberatly lost and make myself find a way back. That took incredible willpower to fight against the fear, but when I had to concentrate on getting back while my mind was occupied the fear was gone..totally gone. It returned when my mind became idle again.

The only thing that changed in that time was what I was thinking about. The external factors (traffic, weather etc ) remained tha same. This told me I was allowing my thoughts to convince me there was areal danger out there when there wasnt. The fear wasnt real.
I learned that the brain has an amigdala (sp?) that controls the fear response. Trouble is God messed up when he designed it in so much that it cannot re set itself to a normal fear level after it has been set at a higher fear level. So for example after a real shock, the event that caused that shock is long gone, but the amigdala doesnt reset itself so the fear level is maintained artificially high. Hence we sense fear when no real danger exisits.

So How to re set this amigdala?

Ans:
BEHAVE like a fear free person. Face the things you percieve to cause you fear and do so in a calm way.
Conciously force yourself to stop shaking, to breath normally instead of fast etc. Once I changed my physical behaviour from that of a panic stricken animal to that of a calm rational man and kept my mind diverted 100% ofthe time, the fear subsided and went away.

The amigdala only responds to behaviour, not thoughts. You cannot just tell yourself to be calm, you have to behave and act in a calm way...act out the role of a calm person if you like.

One other thing, anti depressant meds. Some of these can have the side effect of increased anxiety, citalopram being one of them. I think GPs often do not differentiate between anxiety and depression and treating one can affect the other adversly.

Even now however the fear returns occassionally. Often on the bike when I am day dreaming and my mind allows the traumas back in. I have my own way of forcing it back out.

I visualize fear as a big playground bully, you know th eone that preys on weakness? In my mind he is a big devil looking creature. When he arrives, I front up to him and tell him to 'f*** off in a very strong way. Then I immediatly distract my mind and think other things. Telling myself that the only thing that changed was my thoughts. There is no more danger around me than there was yesterday or the week before, so the fear isnt a reasonable reaction to my situation, which is in fact ..safe.

Another thing that helps me is not constantly talking about fear/anxiety with people (this thread being an exception right now). That is why I feel counselling isnt a helpful thing for extreme anxiety/panic attacks. It jus tkeeps your mind revisiting whatever it is that fgreaked you out so bad in the first place.

I now have a zero tolerance appoach to unreasonable fear. Dont get me wrong, a reasonable level of fear is acceptable...it is designed to keep us safe...but recurring panic attacks are not reasonable...or proportionate.

JMHO.
 

WilliamsMcLaren

Regular
Location
Wiltshire
You need to keep exposing yourself in a small doses and then when comfortable with that level move it out again. You have not mentioned what the fear is (if you know it) or if it is genralized anxiety?

Medication will take a while to kick in. Relaxaion is the difficult thing to learn as you sound like you may well be anxious and it keeps going round.

CBT is helpful, as is learning basic relaxation techniques.

With all the NHS mental health support and or private you have to have an open mind, I was blown away when I first went to one, just the relaxation technique was a revelation that first 15-30 minutes of feeling normal again gave me the hope to come out of it, so do not write anything off because "you know" it wont work. Although I had to get pretty desparate to have given it a try to be fair.

I've got pretty desperate with anxiety too and I'll be having my first CBT session in a few weeks. I've found that cycling does help with anxiety, if I've been for a ride then my anxiety will disappear for 24 hours or so. I won't go into too much detail about my anxiety issue but it's related to eating (or not being able to) so I can't cycle as often as I'd like or I'd lose too much weight.
 

Andrew_P

In between here and there
I've got pretty desperate with anxiety too and I'll be having my first CBT session in a few weeks. I've found that cycling does help with anxiety, if I've been for a ride then my anxiety will disappear for 24 hours or so. I won't go into too much detail about my anxiety issue but it's related to eating (or not being able to) so I can't cycle as often as I'd like or I'd lose too much weight.
Honestly, look around on Audible or Amazon MP3 downloads for relaxaion or hypnothearpy MP3's It you might be that you need to try more than one but if you find one that works it will really help.

Why not make the rides short sweet and often? Calories are around 30-40 per mile so three miles morning and late afternoon?

Anyway try everything, different strokes for different folks, it is really tough as there is no magic arrow, and no outward signs of an illness.

It it helps at all I was in a real state, and came out the other end pretty normal and a better person than I went in. (well thats what I think lol)
 
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