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Dec66

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matticus said:
Eh?
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The ref. The bloke in black, stood nearby, who should have blown for handball, given a free kick the other way, and booked Maradona.

Do you hate him as vehemently, given that fact that it was such a blatant attempt at cheating that Maradona did it almost as a joke, only for the ref to give the goal?

The ref is more culpable than Maradona was, but it's Maradona who got all the opprobrium.
 
matticus

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Dec66 said:
The ref. The bloke in black, stood nearby, who should have blown for handball, given a free kick the other way, and booked Maradona.

Do you hate him as vehemently, given that fact that it was such a blatant attempt at cheating that Maradona did it almost as a joke, only for the ref to give the goal?

The ref is more culpable than Maradona was, but it's Maradona who got all the opprobrium.
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Oh sorry, I genuinely didn't know what you meant. :-(

OK, so that's a fair question. But I don't view refs in the same category as players. I *assume* he didn't get as much from the game as Diego (was there any corruption in the air? I don't remember anything.) It's obvs very possible he was bent, but I just can't be sure. It is quite possible he just didn't get a good view - took his eye off the ball, maybe saw something else going on, who knows? There is an element of doubt. More likely he was just plain incompetent, or felt pressurised by the crowd and D's status.

Whereas the player's motivations were beyond doubt, and he had a lot more to gain from the situation.
 
Dec66

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matticus said:
Oh sorry, I genuinely didn't know what you meant. :-(

OK, so that's a fair question. But I don't view refs in the same category as players. I *assume* he didn't get as much from the game as Diego (was there any corruption in the air? I don't remember anything.) It's obvs very possible he was bent, but I just can't be sure. It is quite possible he just didn't get a good view - took his eye off the ball, maybe saw something else going on, who knows? There is an element of doubt. More likely he was just plain incompetent, or felt pressurised by the crowd and D's status.

Whereas the player's motivations were beyond doubt, and he had a lot more to gain from the situation.
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The player did what any professional player would do in that situation. He got away with it. The fact that so many English people have spent so much time cryarsing about it over so many years is, quite frankly, bewildering.

I enjoyed it, personally. I enjoyed seeing Gentile lamp Maradona right in front of the ref four years earlier, and kick him all over the pitch (clip posted above). Supporters can cry about it all they want, but the fact is, they are professional sportsmen, getting the job done, doing whatever it takes to win.**






** This obviously does not apply to anybody who has ever cheated against Everton, for they should be cast into Hades and be sodomized by Cerberus the three-headed dog for all eternity.
 
Dec66

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matticus said:
So why were you so keen to leap to the Ref's defence?

Are the refs in the wrong, but Diego and Gentile are just doing their job?

I'm baffled ...
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I'm not defending the ref, I'm bewildered as to why Maradona's been eviscerated for all those years for an instinctive reaction when the ref made a boo-boo.
 
Dec66

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Coincidence, if no-one's mentioned it already; George Best also died on November 25th.
 
Rusty Nails

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Football players cheat, full stop. Diving to get a penalty is as bad as using a hand to help the ball into the net. I trust the same criticism will be made of Sterling, Kane and other internationals and premiership players who cheat to get their team a penalty. Look at any corner, there is so much cheating going on by both sides holding the opponents that refs rarely bother to whistle for it.

Football fans hate a cheat, except when he is their cheat.
 
Joey Shabadoo

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I've never seen an England fan talk about Steve Fenwick deliberately elbowing Maradona in the face earlier in the game. England tried to boot him out of the game that day and it was an era when refs let defenders away with challenges that would be red cards today.
 
Accy cyclist

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No matter how many times i look at it,to me it looks like the England defender (can't remember who it was) slides the ball into the net,not Maradona.

Nope,no matter hard how i try to see Maradona kick that ball,i still see the defender kicking it!
 
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