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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
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ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
There are several local examples going back over a number of years. 'Planners' is a broad term, and they differ in remit and ability depending which area they are working in. What's lacking are decent strategic planners at a national level, as well as a local level, and they need to engage with experts in other areas of study too, as these things work better when they're not just done in isolation.
Preaching has been shown time and again to be a poor method, and should always be accompanied by clear explanations and community involvement.
matticus
Guru
The history of traffic reduction projects supports it. Drivers don't want to change, but many appreciate the changes after they sink in, and everyone that DIDNT drive (or wanted to avoid driving) laps it up.
ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
You're clearly set in your opinion, so I'll leave you to it. I just offered my view from a lot of experience. I'll leave it to you to take it as you wish.
matticus
Guru
This is just waffle. What do you want - the people of Manchester to discuss LTNs in Exeter, in case some sort of cosmic balance is upset??
ClichéGuevara
Legendary Member
- Location
- Kingston upon the River Hull
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fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
I have a map at last of the 'scheme'.
My line of travel was on Manchester Road (roughly where No1 is). Turned off the main road at Halesden Road and got stuck at Number 3). My Brother is on Brookfold Road just right of the No3.
I then turned round to try and go via the road that runs parallel but was stopped at No2, couldn't go back to main road as No1 is one way, nor down towards Broadstone Road as No5 stops that.
In future, I'll have to either carry on down Manchester Road and turn right at a busy junction onto Broadstone Road, or head into Reddish, and cut through to the west of this map (Broadstone Hall Road).
Main commuting routes for cyclists are actually Manchester Road and maybe Broadstone Road.
My line of travel was on Manchester Road (roughly where No1 is). Turned off the main road at Halesden Road and got stuck at Number 3). My Brother is on Brookfold Road just right of the No3.
I then turned round to try and go via the road that runs parallel but was stopped at No2, couldn't go back to main road as No1 is one way, nor down towards Broadstone Road as No5 stops that.
In future, I'll have to either carry on down Manchester Road and turn right at a busy junction onto Broadstone Road, or head into Reddish, and cut through to the west of this map (Broadstone Hall Road).
Main commuting routes for cyclists are actually Manchester Road and maybe Broadstone Road.
matticus
Guru
This thread isn't directly relevant, but it is very funny in places:
View: https://twitter.com/theeyecollector/status/1448177948570357767?t=OUhNautNBtb6rx_qLYvzzA&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/theeyecollector/status/1448177948570357767?t=OUhNautNBtb6rx_qLYvzzA&s=19
Ming the Merciless
There is no mercy
- Location
- Inside my skull
Only reason you had a problem is that your sat nav failed to take you the right way. If it encouraged you to walk some of the journey then that is good.
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
That, and his brother thought it funny not to warn him about the closures. I suspect one of mine would!
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Which are called...?
presta
Guru
Most new residential streets are built as cul-de-sacs, I don't see why most older ones can't be converted.
The neighbourhood where I live has grown in three stages:
1: pre 1960, all through-roads
2: ~1970, one arterial through-road with cul-de-sacs sprouting off it
3: ~2000, the whole lot is one big cul-de-sac
Fortunately the area is alongside one main road rather than bridging a gap between two or more main roads, so it doesn't really provide an opportunity for rat running.
The neighbourhood where I live has grown in three stages:
1: pre 1960, all through-roads
2: ~1970, one arterial through-road with cul-de-sacs sprouting off it
3: ~2000, the whole lot is one big cul-de-sac
Fortunately the area is alongside one main road rather than bridging a gap between two or more main roads, so it doesn't really provide an opportunity for rat running.
No house in a LTN will be inaccessible by car, so there will be a roundabout route to the house you want to visit - you just need to learn that.
The key advantage of these LTNs is to prevent speeding, rat-running drivers cutting through a neighbourhood, as well as encouraging people within that neighbourhood to use active travel for short journeys.
The key advantage of these LTNs is to prevent speeding, rat-running drivers cutting through a neighbourhood, as well as encouraging people within that neighbourhood to use active travel for short journeys.
Wow, now I appreciate the issue.
It has become a maze. You need local knowledge to begin with for any first attempt. To honest I cannot imagine emergency responders finding their way on the first or even the second try if they enter point 1. And GPS will not help.
Clearly it will be quiet for the residents but visitors, delivery and trade drivers will have a challenge.
At the end of the day, its their neighbourhood and if they are prepared to live with it I am not sure what we can do. Personally I don't think it shows any form of professional planning, just residents inputs.
united4ever
Veteran
About them not coming up in the searches when he bought the house. I believe they are experimental traffic orders so do not require traffic order with consultation. At the end of the experimental period they can make a permanent traffic order.
The ones in Levenshulme have been made permanent with only minor changes. This makes you think that others in Manchester will also become permanent.
The ones in Levenshulme have been made permanent with only minor changes. This makes you think that others in Manchester will also become permanent.
