Access whole cassette in each ring?

[fossyant]

I agree with you over the shifters but I will say that the crunch, crunch is more down to poor technique or hero-grinding as once you have lost cadence any shifting is going to be a messy affair.

There is an awful lot of poor gear changing though !!! Loads.

 

[Trull]

And that is why I change my after chain every ride. At least I think that's what you were touching on.

I think you are mad (in a funny way) to actually take a chain off after every ride, must cost you a fortune in linkers even if you recycle them. Fair enough if you are mudplugging and need a deep clean, but for regular road riding you'd be better to use white lightning and the usual 500k chainwash. Your chain will thank you!

My down tube shifters don't skip a beat - very easy to maintain Shimano 105, Deore LX 8sp and Deore LX triple front mech. Last time I adjusted them was when I was doing my annual cable change. In comparison my Veloce 10sp needs fettling every 3rd ride...

 

[jowwy]

So how does the new sram 22 work then??? I mean all 22 gears are available according to their blurb and no mention of cross chain issues??

So why do you have to avoid big/big - sml/sml on shimano gearing but not the new sram 22

 

[TheDoctor]

I can access the whole cassette. I only have one chainring!
A seven speed 12-32 cassette does make changing gear a major policy decision though...

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

So how does the new sram 22 work then??? I mean all 22 gears are available according to their blurb and no mention of cross chain issues??

So why do you have to avoid big/big - sml/sml on shimano gearing but not the new sram 22

It does not do it consistently or reliably, its finicky to set up and is called the YAW derailleur, it also existed on 10 speed red.. Its SRAM trying to talk up the product to suggest its as competent and slick as electronic groupsets.

I have Red22 on one of my bikes.

 

[jowwy]

It does not do it consistently or reliably, its finicky to set up and is called the YAW derailleur, it also existed on 10 speed red.. Its SRAM trying to talk up the product to suggest its as competent and slick as electronic groupsets.

I have Red22 on one of my bikes.

But surely there would still be cross chaining tho big/big, sml/sml

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

But surely there would still be cross chaining tho big/big, sml/sml

Like I said, it's not consistent. In theory the SRAM yaw configuration should work, the reality is less conclusive.
There are videos on YouTube showing the setup and how it is supposed to work.

 

[Lanzecki]

I think you are mad (in a funny way) to actually take a chain off after every ride, must cost you a fortune in linkers even if you recycle them. Fair enough if you are mudplugging and need a deep clean, but for regular road riding you'd be better to use white lightning and the usual 500k chainwash. Your chain will thank you!

My down tube shifters don't skip a beat - very easy to maintain Shimano 105, Deore LX 8sp and Deore LX triple front mech. Last time I adjusted them was when I was doing my annual cable change. In comparison my Veloce 10sp needs fettling every 3rd ride...

I wsa trying to be funny to the post with the impossible to understand tech. I've not changed mine in a year. Little stretch, just cleaned and oiled. Chainsaw bar oil. I shall now away the comments of disgust.