A wheelchair, A SMIDSY and I

[gaz]

Section 26 of the ZPPPCRGD

26. When the vehicular light signals at a Pelican crossing are showing the flashing amber signal, every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway or a central reservation within the limits of the crossing (but not if he is on a central reservation which forms part of a system of staggered crossings) before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.

 

[col]

Section 26 of the ZPPPCRGD

If there is someone on the pavement facing the crossing on flashing amber, you should wait and see what they are doing, when the amber turns to green a few seconds later it isnt a problem. I dont know about you, but if someone was facing the crossing I would take it as an intention to cross, and as there is no green light I would wait and see. When taking my advanced test, my examiner said, the only colour that means go is green, anything else is stop.

 

[gaz]

If there is someone on the pavement facing the crossing on flashing amber, you should wait and see what they are doing, when the amber turns to green a few seconds later it isnt a problem. I dont know about you, but if someone was facing the crossing I would take it as an intention to cross, and as there is no green light I would wait and see. When taking my advanced test, my examiner said, the only colour that means go is green, anything else is stop.

You should still take care when the light is green.

 

[col]

You should still take care when the light is green.

Should you? Ta I didnt realise that

 

[gaz]

Should you? Ta I didnt realise that

No need to be sarky. After all you went through the ins and outs of the amber phase and that was in reply to me just posting the law..

 

[col]

No need to be sarky. After all you went through the ins and outs of the amber phase and that was in reply to me just posting the law..

Im not being sarky, im thanking you for pointing it out for me.

 

[Paul_L]

If i'm to blame then i'll put my hands up and admit as such. None of us are immune from making mistakes.

just a couple of comments however, as if to illustrate very little is 100% one way or the other.

Section 26 of the ZPPPCRGD

I don't think i contravened any of this. To the very best of my recollection the wheelchair was still on the pavement as i crossed the solid white line. I can't prove this clearly but i know i was moving at little more than walking speed. The wheelchair definately hit me from the side. I know that as my spokes were tangled in her feet rests. So according to S.26 i was on the crossing first and therefore the wheelchair didn't have right of way.

If there is someone on the pavement facing the crossing on flashing amber, you should wait and see what they are doing, when the amber turns to green a few seconds later it isnt a problem. I dont know about you, but if someone was facing the crossing I would take it as an intention to cross, and as there is no green light I would wait and see. When taking my advanced test, my examiner said, the only colour that means go is green, anything else is stop.

Quite possibly Col. As i said, we all make mistakes and errors of judgement, and i can't argue the fact that if i'd have stopped to see what she was doing it wouldn't have happened. The irony is i remember seeing the wheelchair approach the crossing and i'd watched her to see what she was doing. She definately came to a standstill next to the ped light, and i took that as my lead i think, just as she must have decided to move off.

One thing which we all have is a duty of care to ourselves, and whilst one could argue i didn't fully exercise that duty, one thing is also for sure nor did she, for she didn't look up once. Had she done so, whether i made a mistake or not, she would have stayed on the pavement.

Ah well, you live and learn. Luckily i was out on no. 2 bike. No. 1 bike has had it's wheel moved onto no. 2, and no. 1 will be getting an upgrade. Every cloud n'all that !

 

[screenman]

Eye contact is everything.

 

[Thomk]

If there is someone on the pavement facing the crossing on flashing amber, you should wait and see what they are doing, when the amber turns to green a few seconds later it isnt a problem. I dont know about you, but if someone was facing the crossing I would take it as an intention to cross, and as there is no green light I would wait and see. When taking my advanced test, my examiner said, the only colour that means go is green, anything else is stop.

As I suspected you have confused the light phases on a set of normal traffic lights with the phases on a set of pedestrian controlled lights.

 

[col]

As I suspected you have confused the light phases on a set of normal traffic lights with the phases on a set of pedestrian controlled lights.

Solid amber means stop, flashing amber means stop and wait till its clear, no confusion. Unless your hinting that flashing amber doesnt mean stop till clear?

If i'm to blame then i'll put my hands up and admit as such. None of us are immune from making mistakes.

just a couple of comments however, as if to illustrate very little is 100% one way or the other.



I don't think i contravened any of this. To the very best of my recollection the wheelchair was still on the pavement as i crossed the solid white line. I can't prove this clearly but i know i was moving at little more than walking speed. The wheelchair definately hit me from the side. I know that as my spokes were tangled in her feet rests. So according to S.26 i was on the crossing first and therefore the wheelchair didn't have right of way.



Quite possibly Col. As i said, we all make mistakes and errors of judgement, and i can't argue the fact that if i'd have stopped to see what she was doing it wouldn't have happened. The irony is i remember seeing the wheelchair approach the crossing and i'd watched her to see what she was doing. She definately came to a standstill next to the ped light, and i took that as my lead i think, just as she must have decided to move off.

One thing which we all have is a duty of care to ourselves, and whilst one could argue i didn't fully exercise that duty, one thing is also for sure nor did she, for she didn't look up once. Had she done so, whether i made a mistake or not, she would have stayed on the pavement.

Ah well, you live and learn. Luckily i was out on no. 2 bike. No. 1 bike has had it's wheel moved onto no. 2, and no. 1 will be getting an upgrade. Every cloud n'all that !

We do that, but if your going to tell people on here about a misshap, be prepared for it to be disected then disected again, its what they do

 

[Thomk]

Solid amber means stop, flashing amber means stop and wait till its clear, no confusion. Unless your hinting that flashing amber doesnt mean stop till clear?

I give up. Gaz has provided the actual rule and I have explained it, you just need to read it.

 

[MontyVeda]

One of the probs with a good number 'pavement users' is if they cannot hear a car, they don't bother looking until after they've started crossing. The number of times i have to mow down dodge at least one 'pavement user' when the road is obviously clear of cars because 'no sound means safe' ... maybe i should use my bell more?

 

[col]

I give up. Gaz has provided the actual rule and I have explained it, you just need to read it.

Ok I see your point, I guess Im just a minority then that will wait.

 

[Thomk]

I like you col. I think it's the pointy ears