Right having had a another look at planet x site and a bit of rethink re a cheeper option with a bit left over for later together with what other's have posted I'm coming round to the RT 58 as something i can get to know and get some miles in then look to other things later.
Ok planet x has pissed me off re price rise but i did get good service when i called in and the guy was helpful.
Sorry guys that its a bit on ongoing story but i just want to get it right. Worse thing is get something i hate and then in turn hate cycling.