Why you need to be careful who repairs your bike.

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Globalti

Legendary Member
There are plenty of examples on here of people who have had unsatisfactory service from their LBS and I'm sure that for every bad experience there are a hundred good ones. I have only used a professional bike mechanic once in my life and that was to fit a new BB and chainset, unfamiliar to me, to my frame. The bloke had it done in a few minutes; I watched him work and was impressed with his unhurried, economical way of working. So that was a good experience. However the scenario below is depressingly familiar when I've asked "professionals" to do work on a car for me, the franchise dealers being far, far worse than small independent garages for this kind of sloppy work.

I'm a big fan of Robert M Pirsig's book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. It says on the cover: "This book will change the way you think and feel about your life" and it certainly did for me. Here's a quote I think you'll enjoy; Pirsig is talking about doing quality work and here he explains what happened when his motorcycle engine seized:

I took this machine into a shop because I thought it wasn’t important enough to justify getting into myself, having to learn all the complicated details and maybe having parts and special tools and all that time-dragging stuff when I could get someone else to do it in less time – sort of John’s attitude.

The shop was a different scene from the ones I remembered. The mechanics, who had once all seemed like ancient veterans, now looked like children. A radio was going full blast and they were clowning around and talking and seemed not to notice me. When one of them finally came over he barely listened to the piston slap before saying, “Oh yeah, tappets.”

Tappets? I should have known then what was coming.

Two weeks later I paid their bill for 140 dollars, rode the cycle carefully at varying low speeds to wear it in and then after one thousand miles opened it up. At about seventy-five it seized again and freed at thirty, the same as before. When I brought it back they accused me of not breaking it in properly, but after much argument agreed to look into it. They overhauled it again and this time took it out themselves for a high-speed road test.

It seized on them this time.

After the third overhaul two months later they replaced the cylinders, put in oversize main carburettor jets, retarded the timing to make it run as coolly as possible and told me, “don’t run it fast.”

It was covered with grease and did not start. I found the plugs were disconnected, connected them and started it, and now there really was a tappet noise. They hadn’t adjusted them. I pointed this out and the kid came with an open-end adjustable wrench, set wrong, and swiftly rounded both of the sheet-aluminum tappet covers, ruining both of them.

“I hope we’ve got some more of these in stock,” he said.

I nodded.

He brought out a hammer and cold chisel and started to pound them loose. The chisel punched through the aluminium cover and I could see he was pounding the chisel right into the engine head. On the next blow he missed the chisel completely and struck the head with the hammer, breaking off a portion of two of the cooling fins.

“Just stop,” I said politely, feeling this was a bad dream.“Just give me some new covers and I’ll take it the way it is.”

I got out of there as fast as possible, noisy tappets, shot tappet covers, greasy machine, down the road, and then felt a bad vibration at speeds over twenty. At the kerb I discovered two of the four engine-mounting bolts were missing and a nut was missing from a third. The whole engine was hanging on by only one bolt. The overhead-cam chain-tensioner bolt was also missing, meaning it would have been hopeless to try to adjust the tappets anyway. Nightmare.

The thought of John putting his BMW into the hands of one of these people is something I have never brought up with him. Maybe I should.

I found the cause of the seizures a few weeks later, waiting to happen again. It was a little twenty-five cent pin in the internal oil-delivery system that had been sheared and was preventing oil from reaching the head at high speeds.

 
.......The mechanics, who had once all seemed like ancient veterans, now looked like children. A radio was going full blast and they were clowning around and talking and seemed not to notice me. When one of them finally came over he barely listened .........

Sounds like my local Kwik Fit lol!
 

Bicycle

Guest
I often use my LBS precisely to keep my bicycle out of the hands of morons like the ones in the Pirsig quote.

The guy who runs my LBS has a 'higher understanding' of all things mechanical.

The guy who'd do the work if I didn't go to the LBS is a DISASTER.

The first tool he reaches for is a mallet. Everything gets covered in grease. Nothing is ever adjusted correctly and cables are never cut to length. It's comical and frankly, it's dangerous.

The only thing he does reasonably well is type.

He's typing this now, as it happens.

:rolleyes:
 

BikeLiker

Senior Member
Location
Wirral
He's typing this now, as it happens.

:rolleyes:

I know exactly the same type sort of guy - he's even doing the same thing now
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subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
I often use my LBS precisely to keep my bicycle out of the hands of morons like the ones in the Pirsig quote.

The guy who runs my LBS has a 'higher understanding' of all things mechanical.

The guy who'd do the work if I didn't go to the LBS is a DISASTER.

The first tool he reaches for is a mallet. Everything gets covered in grease. Nothing is ever adjusted correctly and cables are never cut to length. It's comical and frankly, it's dangerous.

The only thing he does reasonably well is type.

He's typing this now, as it happens.

:rolleyes:


its like all things though. yuo need to learn that skill. I wasn't born being able to walk or talk- I hasd to learn. somethings youmlearn quickly some you learn slowly. Bicycle maintenance is one of them things that has slow and quick learning. I used to fix all my mates bikes as a kid as i had access to my dads toolkit :thumbsup:

I grew up with friction shifters on the downtube and only ever needed to adjust the H and L settings after a stripdown. pull the tension tight every so often. ten years ago I bought a new bike with SIS shifting. i was scared as it was all alien to me. in 2010 i spent almost as nmuch as i paid for th bike to be repaired and thought- i can learn to sort bikes again. I read a bit joined a forum or 2 and now i could sort almost any problem out. not replaced aheadset yet but looking forward to when i do have to.

its far easier todya to get the technical manuals than it was when i was a kid in the 80s. they will teach you more than you need to know !
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
I was sticking a rather expensive bike together at the age of 19/20. Started with a fairly expensive bike at the age of 16 (531c and Shimano 600/Ultregra).

Bikes are easy to work on - not exactly complicated. But many folk can't change a tube.
 

Bigsharn

Veteran
Location
Leeds
Bikes are easy to work on - not exactly complicated. But many folk can't change a tube.

True story, until a couple of weeks ago I didn't dare do it on the rear wheel for fear I'd cock up the derailleur. Recently I thought it might be an idea to clean my bike properly (rather than a wipe with a damp cloth) Lo and behold, a bit of care and half an hour later I had a completely clean and fully working rear wheel... AND the derailleur worked :biggrin:
 
Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than knowing a bit more, okay, a hell of a lot more than I do now. It does hold a cyclist back for sure. I love spending time cleaning the bike, and doing what I can do but just need that extra bit of confidence and the right tools to take it a stage further.

Anyone any experience of the Cytech courses? I know of one place that does tutoring in Bristol area but any info. on workshops etc would be most welcome.

Although I trust my LBS, well, one of them, I do feel like a mug having to go there just to get a wheel trued because I don't have the know-how.
 
True story, until a couple of weeks ago I didn't dare do it on the rear wheel for fear I'd cock up the derailleur. Recently I thought it might be an idea to clean my bike properly (rather than a wipe with a damp cloth) Lo and behold, a bit of care and half an hour later I had a completely clean and fully working rear wheel... AND the derailleur worked :biggrin:

Yep, that's what I used to think too mate...the irrational fear of a dear and prized mechanical object being ruined by one's own hands!
 

yello

Guest
I still get dérailleur fears though it doesn't stop me stripping the bikes completely to clean and re-assemble them. I take loads of time over it though (if I were paying me by the hour, I'd be bankrupt... or rich.... :wacko: anyway)


...and if things aren't going well then I walk away and have a cup of coffee and refocus myself. That usually does the trick.

Having the right tools, and quality ones at that, helps enormously. As does having new components! A front mech for instance is (ime) more difficult to regulate when the mechn chainrings and chain have a few thousand miles on them.

I get a great deal of satisfaction from setting up mechs... probably because of my fears!
 

Radman

Active Member
Location
Bristol
I go to my LBS quite often Bools of Fishponds nr Bristol, everyone you speak to holds him with the highest regards,Id

rather pay a little bit more and know im getting the job done properly than take my bikes to Evans or the bigger stores.

Id love to have the knowledge to be able to build a bike from stratch like some of my mates do but im happy to let the

LBS sort out anything more complicated.
 

Paulus

Started young, and still going.
Location
Barnet,
I do all my own work, and have done since I was a teenager. For those who do not feel too confident I would suggest getting the Haynes Bike book. It is the same formula as the car/ motorbike manuals with step by step pictures and well written text. It tells you what tools you need for each job. I try to tell budding bike mechanics to get a set of basic tools to start with, and start with easy jobs like adjusting head bearings, or wheel bearings then moving on as the confidence grows.
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
I do all the work on my fleet except when I don't have the special tools to do a task, even then I generally find it more economical to buy the tool than have the task done. I make an exception to this from time-to-time if time pressure means I can't wait in which I case I strip as much as possible and take the remainder to one od two LBS's in walking distance of home. One will 'pop that off' while I wait, and generally refuses payment the t'other insists I book it in and come back tomorrow.

I have to say rear gear adjustments still do give me the jitters, though experience has taught me it is nearly always the cable tension/lubrication, as with campag, shimano, sram and the odd hub gear fitted, this task is never the same twice! Truing a wheel is a piece of cake compared with fitting and setting up a brand new rear mech imo!

I draw the line at any task that involves the use of some sort of reamer or cutting tool though. Those jobs, like facing a bottom bracket after a respray, go to a professional.
 

yello

Guest
Weird innit? Rear mechs, I don't mind so much (agreed, wheel truing is easier) but front mechs always make me prepared to do battle! Though as all my mechs are clamp-on perhaps that makes life a little more tricky - it's the myriad of possibilities/adjustment with the clamp position that gets me.
 
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